The numbers were just examples. Yes I thought about that too but it did even if there were no weeds or rocks on the graph and the numbers were jumping to the deep side of what the picture on the graph was showing, never shallower. The picture seemed accurate compared to the reg sonar. So thats why I’m think somethings funny.

I’m going to try to reupdate them again and see if that works. If not, I will have to give customer service a call.

Jeremy

It did it over all over the lake – rocks, weeds.

I think I’ll try downloading the update and upload it on the graphs again.

Jeremy

No there wasn’t much chop, pretty flat. I’ve haven’t experienced this before since I’ve installed it last year.

I know the the difference between wave induced depth change and what I am experiencing. The numbers and the bottom jump and what I am seeing is that the bottom is staying the same and reading very well. But the data overlay that reads out the depth is jumping all over to the deep side like it is reading at 8′ and the screen shows it is 8′ deep but depth overlay is jumping around from 8 to 9 to 10 to 11 to 9 to 8 all while screen (bottom) doesn’t change at all.

Jeremy

I am curious too. i am wondering what the -3db, -6db and -10db stand for?

Somebody please chime in.

jeremy

150# and 130# stealth flouro leaders are the best ones you can buy in my opinion. Like everybody has already said always use stay-loc snaps.

Jeremy

Just updated my hds 10 and 7. No problems for me. The updates look awesome.

Yeah I think the three way split on the hds 7 is going to nice. I think that option would also be nice on the bigger models with the split on the bottom. Unless it is on there? Didn’t check it out on the 10, just looked at the 7.

Jeremy

I had one that was about 4 or 5 years old and worked great. I got 115 out of mine.

Jeremy

Ping rate is the rate at which the transducer sends out a signal. I believe I read somewhere if you set them high or max them out it is hard on your tranducer especially in shallower water and you will eventually blow your transducer out.

whether its true or not, maybe someone that has more technical knowledge could chime in and confirm/deny what I read.

Jeremy

“Linda Colt, she was a pleasure to deal with, the two times I contacted previous to the transducer problems she went out of her way to help, appears they dumpered her, and customer service quality.”

The way I read this is you are saying your transducer problems started after Linda left. I believe she left spring 2010, so that puts your transducer problems starting after that. That is why i asked if you expected lowrance to replace your 4 to 5 year old tranducer.

One question, what ping speed are you running on your units?

Jeremy

How about you cool it, Al.

Lowrance haters was not directed at you. I guess my point is if a person doesn’t own a lowrance, why get on a forum that is specifically geared towards lowrance and reply? So they can bash them? I could see it maybe if they tried to write something of use.

I just get tired of it. I think that horse is dead.

So let me get this straight. You are “hating” because lowrance won’t replace your 4 or 5 year old tranducer for nothing? I don’t even think humminbird would do that.

Jeremy

I bought two hds last year and couldn’t be happier. LSS-1 is a definate add-on.

DC vs SI. Both are important to have because I use them as two different tools. The SI is more for finding structure and spots to fish. If you expect SI to show fish everywhere – it won’t. The DS is what a use more for showing me fish. It shows a clear image of the bottom and has very good fish target separation. It is very easy to distinguish fish from structure.

HDS or H bird. As the person said above it is really a chevy/ford debate. Go to the store and stand there and play with both a hds model and a bird model, see what one you like better. That is what I did. As far as lowrances customer service, I heard it is a lot better now.

I sure am curious why all you lowrance haters are patroling the lowrance forum. If I didn’t care for something I wouldn’t go to a forum that is specifically about a product that I don’t care for.

Jeremy

Sorry, I don’t ever pay attention to who I reply to, I’ll I know is that I reply and it goes on the bottom. When I meant first picture, I mean the first picture in the whole series of posts.

Jeremy

Its how I did mine and it works just fine. You don’t need a switch on the yellow lines when the hds will do it for you. You are basically wasting your money on the switch. If you want to hook the yellow line from the lss-1 to switch. The line coming off the switch then should go to a power source another 12 volt power source.

Jeremy

I would hook it up like in the first picture but remove the switch.

Jeremy

My boat is in storage and it is cold out are the main reasons. I have yet to buy a other power cord so I can power my units up at home. Depending on when the 4.0 is coming out, I just figure I will do it this spring when it warms up.

Jeremy

I have an hds 10 and lss-1. I hooked up both the yellow wires together and the red and black wires on the lss-1 power cord to my power source. For me, I really see no good reason to hook the yellow wire to a seperate switch when the graph will do it for you. Turn the graph on so does your lss-1, turn the graph off as does your lss-1.

Jeremy

Justsonar info… How come you can share waypoints from one unit to other over the ethernet?

It’s too bad they didn’t make it so you could share gps, it would make it easier. I figured since you can share waypoints maybe you it would share gps, too.

Jeremy

would you be able to hook up LGC 4000 to one unit and then access it from the second unit over the ethernet network?

Jeremy

I am very happy with my hds 10 and 7 that I got last year. I also have the structure scan and I am happy with also.

If your thinking of switching I would go to cabelas or bass pro and play around with both. i was on the fence last year and thats what i did.

I think there would be a lot of benefit of linking ipilot to your graph. I think it would be easier to manage and create trails for the ipilot. And you could also have more than 3 trails saved. I am not a hbird guy but i do see the benefits but I don’t think its enough to get me to switch.

jeremy

I had an issue kind of like that. Only all my settings were on local and couldn’t figure out why they would switch transducers.

After several times of swearing and cussing at them, I found an option of network sonars. I think it was under one of the sonar menus. It was the very first option in that particular menu. I deselected that option on both units and now they don’t switch any more.

Don’t know if that will help you any for your situation.

Jeremy

Thanks, dan. It felt like kind of a stupid question to ask but I knew somebody would help me here.

I tried looking through the book last time I was out and I didn’t know exactly what it was calle. I could only find something on recording sonar and that didn’t sounds like what I was after.

Thanks again,
Jeremy

I know you can get them online at cabelas. I guessing they would have them in the store also. I would also think bass pro would have them too. I would go online and get the stores phone number where you plan on buying itand give them a call before you go. See if they have any stock. I did this for my hds 10 in owatonna, it was the last one they had and I had them put my name on it.

I’ve never used jolly ann marine but they do get recommended by a lot of people on this site and some of the other muskie websites I visit.

Jeremy

Thanks for all the replies. I went out and hooked my units up this afternoon. Turned them on and the waypoints that I had marked and wouldn’t transfer yesterday were transfered today. Don’t know why they didn’t synch right away but today they worked and could edit waypoints back and forth. So I don’t what was going on.

Thanks, mule170. It’s good to know it’s happened to somebody else and thanks for the tip on what you did to solve it. If it happens again I’ll try it right away.

For those of you who don’t realize the capabilities of the ethernet network should get on the lowrance website and do a search for ethernet network and learn about what they have. I found a page/chart the talks/shows all of the differences between ethernet,nmea2000 and nmea0183. ethernet kicks the c**p out of nmea2000 when it comes waypoint sharing.

Check out the link that otis eyes posted, it’s the one I’ve been looking at.

Thanks,Jeremy

I think when I transfered some old ones from a mmc cards back in april I just put them on my console unit and they automatically transfered then because there on there. But the ones i have marked with the console unit since haven’t. I haven’t really use my front unit for gps until today. So I haven’t notice them not tranfering. I’ll have to go out and mess with them some more tomorrow.

Jeremy

On the lowrance website, I was reading that there suppose to automatic synchronize. even if one of the units is off, the next time it is turned on. It is supposed to update. I wonder whats going on?

Jeremy

I would buy the HDS 5 base unit and buy a navionics chip for it.

I just bought a hds 10 and hds 7 and I went with the base units. I looked at the preloaded software on the insight. On my favorite lake there was no accuracy in the mapping. At least not compared to my navionics chip. To me, if there no accuracy there’s point in spending the extra money.

So if I were you, I would save the money and buy a base unit. And use the money you saved to buy a navionics or a lakemaster chip for your area.

Jeremy

From what I can tell, I think that is the update for the earlier hds units that wouldn’t even play navionics to begin with. It says for early productions units (Jan-June 2009). So I am guessing that is what it is.

If your units play the navionics chip now, I don’t think you need it.

Maybe somebody else will chime in too.

Jeremy

I just got mine but I agree with John, 1 to 4 or 5 mph is probably optimum but you’ll get readings as long the transducer is in the water.

I also have read that the bird units you get the best reading when travel in a straight line. I haven’t really paid that close attention to my lss-1 to see if holds true with lowrance. I’m guessing it does.

John, I’ve had mine out only two times. I have messed with the contrast alittle. If I remember right, I think I liked between 50% and 60% the best so far. What % do you like the best?

Jeremy

I updated mine and took about a minute or so with no problems. Used it this weekend with no problems yet.

When I tried to download the update on to a SD card with the sd slot on my laptop and I got an loading error. So I save it on my computer (which took forever) and then it loaded on to my sd card.

Jeremy

I was reading what some of the enhancements that the 3.0 software was going to do. It said something about mercury smartcraft N2k gateway. What does this mean? Now will mercury smartcraft will be compatible with the lowrance hds units? If it is, can it replace the actual gauge or is it just so you can display information from a smartcraft gauge on your graph?

Anybody have any information on this?

Thanks, Jeremy