just need to figure out if it goes to the Sioux, Ojibwe, Blackfoot, Arapahoe, Iowa, Sauk, Ottawa or another tribe that inhabited MN at one point or another… (end sarcasm)
That’s the dirty little detail that nobody ever wants to talk about. A deep dig reveals some interesting facts about things that happened way before any Europeans stepped foot on the land.
You havent been paying enough attention. What’s their’s is their’s and what’s everyone else’s its theirs too.
So that’s where my wife got here line from ” What’s mine is mine, What’s yours is mine, and what’s ours is mine ”
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got that right thumper!! 
Gotta give the tribe credit, perfect timing. No way the current leadership body in mn will want to do anything but over correct. Am all for honoring treaties, but seems like we are going to be on a continuous slippery slope of just bending over backwards to right past wrongs and giving into things that might not even be within their rights or in the treaties, I don’t know enough about it but where’s there any line in the sand?
6,300 tribal members have private access to 840,000 acres.
Or 133 acres per person.
The rest of us have to share 5,600,000 acres of public land.
Or .98 of an acre per person.
Heck, the natives can even use the same land we get to use. So technically it’s 134 acres per person.
If we break the state’s water down, they have 38 acres of water per person.
The rest of the state’s water breaks down to .77 of an acre for non-natives.
If anything, they should give the state more land for non-natives to share (sarcasm)
That’s fine let them have the land but nothing in nothing out, no electric no gas no food. I bet they would be begging to give the land back in less than a week. They want to be a sovereign nation, fine they need a passport to leave their country. If I recall my history books correctly when the “white man” arrived the Indians still had not invented the wheel, nor did they have the horse. As far as I’m concerned the “white man” was very nice to this group of people due to not killing every last one of the them during wars.
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i dont know but i think pretty well said!!!! 
of course thats my own personal opinion!!!! 
My dad was a horrible racist, but he said one thing that I totally agree with.
We need to live by one set of rules.
We are either all Americans living under one set of rules or the whole thing will turn into chaos.
If the tribe’s didn’t understand what they were doing in 1899 or whenever this boundary thing got messed up, is that any different than many other contracts that were misconstrued.
Has anyone here never had to take a deal from a position of weakness?
Does taking a deal from a position of weakness mean it should be overturned 100 years later?
As others have said, it’s time to move on.
I agree. Not about the racist part but by living with one set of rules.
Plenty of groups have been F’d over in both US and world history, both racial and religious. That history truly sucks and there’s still work to be done for some groups.
We can’t have everyone treated equally when not everyone is treated equally (the aforementioned different set of rules).
Everyone knows everything changes with kids. For me, knowing my kids will be in school soon, I think of them sitting in class with a kid who maybe is getting reparations or something like that. That kids ancestors got screwed over and that’s unfortunate. But why should my kids be treated different? Why should my kids have to work their way through college and make it on their own while someone else their same age might get a huge break just because of their heritage? Don’t put my kids a step behind them, don’t take their tax money when they had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the harm caused to the other kid’s ancestors.
I have no doubt that there are some that would say “that’s easy for you to say as an adult white male” and I really do try and consider that. But again, we cannot all be equal with things like this in place.
Perhaps some posts have been deleted, but I just wanted to chime in to say that I’m glad the thread is still open and that there is productive discussion on both sides. In the past, when this or the issues surrounding Mille Lacs comes up, it devolves into nastiness and the threads get closed. I’d rather have a healthy discussion about it than no discussion at all.
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I guess it’s easy for us to say about “get over it” but these things all happened before any one of us were alive. Any egregious acts were done by people many of us had no ties to. Where does it end? It’s been commonplace across history where people cc conquer new lands and they absolutely wipe out who was there before. We didn’t do that. Yeah there are issues that shouldn’t have have happened but they could all be dead otherwise.
All global civilization was created by groups conquering other groups for land. And it was brutal. And ugly. But we are the only country still held hostage by it.
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All global civilization was created by groups conquering other groups for land. And it was brutal. And ugly. But we are the only country still held hostage by it.
Very similar to what I always say-one of the most common themes in all of history is forcibly removing or eliminating people from their land.
Why should my kids have to work their way through college and make it on their own while someone else their same age might get a huge break just because of their heritage? Don’t put my kids a step behind them, don’t take their tax money when they had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the harm caused to the other kid’s ancestors.
I have no doubt that there are some that would say “that’s easy for you to say as an adult white male” and I really do try and consider that. But again, we cannot all be equal with things like this in place.
I have a daughter about to start college and this is so very true and frustrating.
I have a daughter about to start college and this is so very true and frustrating.
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What’s frustrating about it ? The rich natives are loaded with casino money, red lake natives are dirt poor. They are raised in a dangerous drug riddled grounds. Not much to be jealous of, besides they have 1 lake we can’t access. I bet your daughter has 100 times the life over what the majority of those kids have. Don’t make it seem like our kids are punished, or treated un fair. because that’s not the case at all.
So that’s where my wife got here line from ” What’s mine is mine, What’s yours is mine, and what’s ours is mine ”
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Some men run their house, and some men round around their house. – Sam Cassell
I have a daughter about to start college and this is so very true and frustrating.
What’s frustrating about it ? The rich natives are loaded with casino money, red lake natives are dirt poor. They are raised in a dangerous drug riddled grounds. Not much to be jealous of, besides they have 1 lake we can’t access. I bet your daughter has 100 times the life over what the majority of those kids have. Don’t make it seem like our kids are punished, or treated un fair. because that’s not the case at all.
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I think Dan and I were no longer just talking about just red lake res people. I get your point about the poor kids having it rough and that is not what I was talking about. If a kid similar resources yet they come from a different background they should not get a lower cost or better help.
My mom taught me at a very young age, life’s not fair. Don’t sit and whine about what others get. You have no idea about the positives and negatives in there life.
I guess that fits pretty well right here.
I hunted by Hinckley this year, and was talking to a tribal member who said his childhood home was right where they built the casino. I said something to the effect of that must have been a nice payout for you and your family to move, he laughed and was like that’s not how it works on the rez, we got a double wide on some land outside of town, and we don’t own that either. Mille Lacs/Hinckley tribal members don’t get a monthly stipend, as the tribe is reinvesting it’s profit in other businesses and trying to grow their business empire to supposedly one day reclaim the original rez land.
On the flip side my wife went to Red Wing HS, and the TI members that turned 18 before graduation, rarely graduated as they dropped out once the free money started hitting their account.
IMO both of these situations are a far greater cause of the problems on the rez (graduation rates, poverty, substance abuse issues etc.) than anything treaty related or that happened 150 years ago.
IMO both of these situations are a far greater cause of the problems on the rez (graduation rates, poverty, substance abuse issues etc.) than anything treaty related or that happened 150 years ago.
100% Its sad that the wealthy natives are just pushing down the rest of their people.
Correct it sad to see these kids turn 18 and it’s party time, last I heard is they receive about a million when they turn 18. The tribal council used to turn over a lot, some elders would get in there and try to make them get some education first before the pay out and they would later just to get voted off council later. This was prairie island tribe.
There are too many opportunities in this day and age to say the white man is holding me back. Does not matter your race or religion. If things are bad on the reservation or your neighborhood— MOVE or get out some way. There is nothing that says you have to stay and live in poverty. People need to WANT to better themselves. JMO
Oofda, this will be a very short cliff note version of my thoughts. Cant help myself this AM…
My oldest of 3 ojibwe daughters is one of those freebies eluded to getting a free ride right now at a fairly prestious(at least for this northside dude) private university out west, school itself offers a certain amount of these scholarships and she was lucky enough to get it. No way in hel! we could afford $75k+ a year otherwise. First gen college kiddo, most think kids going off become libs in college, I find mine doing quite the opposite, the realities of our and others (culutres,countries, world) past and present can hit hard to those soaking in the information. She was going for poly sci but thats fading the more she realizes how F’d our political system is and how F’d the rez system is. Where exactly does one go from that? Seriously, the comments here of cutting off funding is asinine, it will never happen rn in our current state of affairs, the repercussions on small town America to absorb those messes would be unimaginable.
Most of history was destruction of peoples for a long time, think King Syria in the BC of the timeline was the first to start offering negotiations of some sort to those being conquered, why kill everyone when they could be of value and/or you wouldnt have to worry them coming for your head down the road, literally. Worse thing we did was stick an uncivilized culture onto these rez lands, assimilation doesnt take place in this scenario and we end up with what we have now. These folks were primitive by most accounts and we expect them to join modern times while being separated, and the few assimilation programs like the boarding schools were simply train wrecks that wouldve soured any mouth.
Generational trauma is real. The behaviors one developed to cope with their circumstances are incredibly unhealthy, and they do get passed along, and it wasnt that many handfuls of generations ago. Imagine any of your precious Grandmas telling stories at dinner of men riding thru camp/town at night when you and your sisters grabbed hollowed out reeds to sneak into the water at night and breathe underwater until they passed not knowing what was at the surface when you came back up, Ive heard it from the source, it changes you. No police to call, no national guard to come in to save your butt, noone to report to after whatever happened. How would you feel as a man, a father, cant fight, no work, wtf exactly do you do, does it make you bitter, how does it change your outlook on life, on your kids, wife? That was some time ago, but those times develop some really intense toxic co dependencies on substances, systems, etc.
IDFK where to go from here, most in it dfk, but being kind and at least have an understanding helps everyone involved. Bearcat is spot on, worry about your own and if you dont know then you simply dont. Short conversations with natives at gas stations, boat ramps, etc doesnt put anyone in the know and like all small talk there is always more to the story.
My Uncle might run for a seat on the rez council where hes at. He was gonna ask the Chief to see what he wants him to do. Being an ornery elder who drinks and swears too much told him hed have to dial it back a bit. He called me a dildo and laughed. Good dude, hes definetily one whos seen it all from all sides, will be interesting hearing some more inside info if that ever comes to fruition.
There are too many opportunities in this day and age to say the white man is holding me back. Does not matter your race or religion. If things are bad on the reservation or your neighborhood— MOVE or get out some way. There is nothing that says you have to stay and live in poverty. People need to WANT to better themselves. JMO
BINGO!!!!!!!!
i have a friend and also he’s a fellow coworker……lives north of deer river. they got into being foster parents/caregivers. just about ALL the baby’s they took in are from Red lake. and ohhh the medical issues those kids have.
the leech lake band wont allow white folks to foster there kids because they wont grow up in there “heritage???
his neighbor and good friend happens to be 100% native and a CO. HE’s done pretty well for himself and i really good guy!!!!!!
Oofda, this will be a very short cliff note version of my thoughts. Cant help myself this AM…
My oldest of 3 ojibwe daughters is one of those freebies eluded to getting a free ride right now at a fairly prestious(at least for this northside dude) private university out west, school itself offers a certain amount of these scholarships and she was lucky enough to get it. No way in hel! we could afford $75k+ a year otherwise. First gen college kiddo, most think kids going off become libs in college, I find mine doing quite the opposite, the realities of our and others (culutres,countries, world) past and present can hit hard to those soaking in the information. She was going for poly sci but thats fading the more she realizes how F’d our political system is and how F’d the rez system is. Where exactly does one go from that? Seriously, the comments here of cutting off funding is asinine, it will never happen rn in our current state of affairs, the repercussions on small town America to absorb those messes would be unimaginable.
Most of history was destruction of peoples for a long time, think King Syria in the BC of the timeline was the first to start offering negotiations of some sort to those being conquered, why kill everyone when they could be of value and/or you wouldnt have to worry them coming for your head down the road, literally. Worse thing we did was stick an uncivilized culture onto these rez lands, assimilation doesnt take place in this scenario and we end up with what we have now. These folks were primitive by most accounts and we expect them to join modern times while being separated, and the few assimilation programs like the boarding schools were simply train wrecks that wouldve soured any mouth.
Generational trauma is real. The behaviors one developed to cope with their circumstances are incredibly unhealthy, and they do get passed along, and it wasnt that many handfuls of generations ago. Imagine any of your precious Grandmas telling stories at dinner of men riding thru camp/town at night when you and your sisters grabbed hollowed out reeds to sneak into the water at night and breathe underwater until they passed not knowing what was at the surface when you came back up, Ive heard it from the source, it changes you. No police to call, no national guard to come in to save your butt, noone to report to after whatever happened. How would you feel as a man, a father, cant fight, no work, wtf exactly do you do, does it make you bitter, how does it change your outlook on life, on your kids, wife? That was some time ago, but those times develop some really intense toxic co dependencies on substances, systems, etc.
IDFK where to go from here, most in it dfk, but being kind and at least have an understanding helps everyone involved. Bearcat is spot on, worry about your own and if you dont know then you simply dont. Short conversations with natives at gas stations, boat ramps, etc doesnt put anyone in the know and like all small talk there is always more to the story.
My Uncle might run for a seat on the rez council where hes at. He was gonna ask the Chief to see what he wants him to do. Being an ornery elder who drinks and swears too much told him hed have to dial it back a bit. He called me a dildo and laughed. Good dude, hes definetily one whos seen it all from all sides, will be interesting hearing some more inside info if that ever comes to fruition.
Thanks for taking the time to share. I don’t think you’ll be changing too many minds around here, but there is great value in just speaking the truth of your personal experience.
(Also: we freaking love our floors! Our renovation was a poo-show in many ways, you were probably the only sub we weren’t disappointed in at some point)
Deuces,
Very well articulated, thank you.
I think in a story like this we need to find some common ground and see what would benefit both sides moving forward. Places like Red lake and Cass lake could really use some help with there youth of keeping them in school and helping them graduate. Promoting going to college or finding a trade for them to work in and as Dueces said they could accumulate to life on or of the “rez” better.
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