Red tails

  • Gino
    Grand rapids mn
    Posts: 1210
    #2204016

    I threw a trap in a crick today while mushroom hunting. Two and a half hours later I had more red tails than I know what to do with. How do you fish walleye with these? I mostly just use rainbows or fat heads.

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    ganderpike
    Alexandria
    Posts: 997
    #2204029

    Oof sorry to hear that man. As good as garbage to walleye. Fortunately I have a reasonable way to dispose of them. I can come pick up tomorrow?

    My redtail/creek chub bite really picks up once summer temps have stabilized and weedlines are apparent. Hard to beat a slow troll with a lindy/live bait set up. 6’ish leader and river gap hook. You’ll be able to “feel” the red tail get nervous and Swim more erratic as it’s getting eyed up. So a more sensitive rod is nice to have, with a longer action.

    These usually out fish any other set up in the boat 3 to 1 once early July rolls around.

    AK Guy
    Posts: 1292
    #2204031

    If I’m fishing slow, live bait rig with the chub hooked near the tail. If I’m fishing faster, hooked in the nose.

    Gino
    Grand rapids mn
    Posts: 1210
    #2204036

    Thanks, I’ll give them a shot. Probably be trying out before July, I’m thinking this weekend. Maybe I’ll sort out some smaller ones and treat them like a shiner.

    Bearcat89
    North branch, mn
    Posts: 17863
    #2204037

    Thanks, I’ll give them a shot. Probably be trying out before July, I’m thinking this weekend. Maybe I’ll sort out some smaller ones and treat them like a shiner.

    That is exactly what I would do

    Red Eye
    Posts: 885
    #2204039

    You sure these are red tails? I dont think the one circled is a red tail. Looks like what we call a big lake shinner.

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    ThunderLund78
    Posts: 2060
    #2204064

    Time to consult “The Great Minnesota Fish Book.” Cant tell a lot by the pic and you may indeed have a bunch of redtails, but the one that’s showing his side looks more shiner-esqe – ie a flatter, shad-like body. Retails are officially known Horneyhead clubs and in the spring the males will have “horns” which are hard, boney bumps on their head. Horneyheads also have a slightly more cylindrical body, like a sucker when compared to a shiner. There’s a similar minnow called a Stoneroller which also has pronounced horns, but it has more of a sucker mouth. This is a great and fascinating book, recommend it to all MN fisherman!

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    Gino
    Grand rapids mn
    Posts: 1210
    #2204077

    Here’s a couple of dead ones

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    Red Eye
    Posts: 885
    #2204086

    Definitely not red tails. We call em lake shinners, what the real name is I have no idea. They still will catch a walleye but their no red tail.

    grubson
    Harris, Somewhere in VNP
    Posts: 1288
    #2204087

    We call those river shiners, definitely not a red tail. They can be good bait, pike love them. As for walleye bait, I’m sure they will work but they’re definitely not gonna work like red tails do.

    AK Guy
    Posts: 1292
    #2204088

    Here’s a couple of dead ones

    Those are not red tails. They will catch you fish, however.

    ThunderLund78
    Posts: 2060
    #2204110

    Looks like what you got there are creek chubs! The broad, bigger head compared to its body sets it apart from Shiners. But they’re very similar to retails. One key distinction would be a small black spot at the base of the dorsal fin.

    Disclaimer- I’m just a geek about these things, all of this is coming from this book and I love nerding out on thus stuff. Not trying to be a know-it-all. Hope it helps inform a positive ID! Here’s the Creek Chub page!

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    grubson
    Harris, Somewhere in VNP
    Posts: 1288
    #2204123

    Looks like what you got there are creek chubs! The broad, bigger head compared to its body sets it apart from Shiners. But they’re very similar to retails. One key distinction would be a small black spot at the base of the dorsal fin.

    Disclaimer- I’m just a geek about these things, all of this is coming from this book and I love nerding out on thus stuff. Not trying to be a know-it-all. Hope it helps inform a positive ID! Here’s the Creek Chub page!

    Nope sorry, they’re not chubs, creek or red tail those are a species of shiner. We call them river shiners, 65 bait calls then river shiners.

    Slabtown
    Western Wisconsin
    Posts: 37
    #2204124

    Common shiner. Luxilus cornutus

    ThunderLund78
    Posts: 2060
    #2204134

    Perhaps )
    Not here to argue, just adding info. Common Shiner seems a bit slender and has very big eyes in comparison to its head.

    Nothing in the book labeled as River Shiners. The “Red Shiner” would be as close of match to the pics, but are only found in the far Southwestern corner of the state

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    JEREMY
    BP
    Posts: 2801
    #2204217

    We used to catch them while we were getting creek chubs for catfish bait. They get pretty big. Look like some off breed shiner.

    Slabtown
    Western Wisconsin
    Posts: 37
    #2204231

    That illustration is poor, scrawny representation of a common shiner.

    LabDaddy1
    Posts: 1726
    #2204237

    They look more chub-like than shiner-like to me. I feel like you may be right with your initial ID.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 10529
    #2204238

    Looks like a common shiner to me. Example below.

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    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 10529
    #2204242

    Red tail chub.

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    Slabtown
    Western Wisconsin
    Posts: 37
    #2204255

    This is about to turn into a green sunfish thread, and it’s fun. But I’ve collected hundreds of these while being paid for it, and they are common shiners.

    Gino
    Grand rapids mn
    Posts: 1210
    #2204265

    Well I was was told they were red tails but whatever they are they are going to catch fish or die trying! Thanks for the replies.

    Jimmy Jones
    Posts: 2133
    #2204271

    Here’s a couple of dead ones

    In this picture one can see what looks like a rash on the nose of a couple of the fish. I’d say they were horned chubs.

    Gino
    Grand rapids mn
    Posts: 1210
    #2204275

    In this scoop was one of the mystery minnows in the middle with what I would call creek chubs around it. They are much larger and have been biting the heads of of the smaller other species. I have some that are around seven inches or so and very strong.

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    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 10529
    #2204284

    It’s a minnow. jester
    Looks like a good river mix.

    ThunderLund78
    Posts: 2060
    #2204328

    Given the reddish fins, I’m thinking you definitely got some redtail (hornyhead) chubs in that mix, the distinct black lateral line in the other one makes me think creek chub for that guy. We definitely got some passionate bait guys here! smile

    Like Ripjiggin said – good river mix, probably got chubs and shiners!

    buckybadger
    Upper Midwest
    Posts: 7245
    #2204329

    I’m no expert, but what is circled in that latest picture is what I’ve always called a “chub”.

    The earlier picture posted has some of what I have always called “shiners”

    The easiest way to tell if you have a shiner is to handle it, hook it, even change its water temp 5 degrees, or even look at it wrong and watch it immediately die…

    ThunderLund78
    Posts: 2060
    #2204397

    There about as challenging to tell apart as an Alligator and a Crocodile. But after years of study, I’ve found that a sure fire way to tell which is which is that for Alligators you’ll see them later– and for Crocodiles, after a while. (Thank you very much!) cool

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 10233
    #2204412

    There about as challenging to tell apart as an Alligator and a Crocodile. But after years of study, I’ve found that a sure fire way to tell which is which is that for Alligators you’ll see them later– and for Crocodiles, after a while. (Thank you very much!) cool

    And how many kids do you have again? #Dadjokes rotflol

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