Health insurance – What a joke!

  • Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13202
    #1728120

    Unsustainable? I feel for you folks that cant quickly adjust your income levels to reflect expenses. My insurance went up over 60% last year. That was on top of a huge increase the year before. On top of that it has taken my wife about 40 hrs a year of waiting on the phone and talking to people to get insurance. Even then we have had to go with out for short periods of time because someone forgot to send a form, dot and I, ect. For some reason this changed this fall. She got us signed back up for insurance in less than a couple days and our premiums went down close to $200 a month. No idea how that happened but Ill take it. Pretty sure it will be going the other way again next year.

    gary d
    cordova,il
    Posts: 1125
    #1728134

    And just think it started with one party’s good idea. Now it is going to be a costly for all. Go figure. What went wrong at the time to help just a few to putting the screw to all.!!!! I am retired and no smiles here.

    Kyhl
    Savage
    Posts: 749
    #1728137

    Pre-Existing conditions are the #1 reason for rising health insurance premiums.

    The PPACA eliminated the ability for a health insurance company to underwrite the risk, and now they’re offering the equivalent of an “open line of credit” in exchange for a monthly insurance premium

    It’s no different than if financial institutions were forced to offer “guaranteed approval” for a bank loan and lost the ability to run credit score. It no longer matters that your credit score is 800+ or that you’ve never missed a payment.

    You’re interest rate is the same as the guy standing next to you with a sub-500 credit score.

    That is a great analogy. In that example, not only are the interest rates the same but rates are now 40% to cover the costs of the rising number of loans that were not paid back.

    djshannon
    Crosslake
    Posts: 528
    #1728140

    I will not argue that health care insurance premiums are high. Insurance companies are for profit businesses even if they claim to be non-profits. They have to make their payroll and pay their financial commitments just like ever other business. Their financial commitments happen to be paying for services provided to YOU through doctors, hospitals, and pharmacies.

    Their premiums are based on their best guess of what services the global YOU are going to need and use. They negotiate costs with ALL service providers, and service providers have different rate structure for those with or without coverage.

    Part of the 20,000 page ACA was backup protection to the insurance companies to protect them from excessive losses from the mandate that they must take all applicants.

    Our current Federal Administration (House, Senate, & White House) by flapping their gums about repeal and replace the ACA and about not paying the backup protection to the insurance companies has created instability and vulnerability in the insurance market.

    Everyone pays for that in higher premiums. Write letters to your Federal Administrators (House, Senate, & White House) and tell them to move on to something they that can agree on and fix.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25025
    #1728145

    Part of the 20,000 page ACA was backup protection to the insurance companies to protect them from excessive losses from the mandate that they must take all applicants.

    Our current Federal Administration (House, Senate, & White House) by flapping their gums about repeal and replace the ACA and about not paying the backup protection to the insurance companies has created instability and vulnerability in the insurance market.

    Must be nice to be in a business where the government will cover you rear. When the insurance companies were all in on this it was a huge red fag for me.

    The ACA was poorly devised, poorly executed and is imploding. I couldn’t imagine where I would be if I had to pay some of these premiums I hear people talking about.

    Everyone pays for that in higher premiums. Write letters to your Federal Administrators (House, Senate, & White House) and tell them to move on to something that can agree on and fix.

    Yes, clean up this mess someone else willfully made. Clean it up by completely restructuring it.

    Also, IBTL!

    gordonk
    Inactive
    Posts: 53
    #1728154

    Look, the reason costs are exploding has very little to do with “those families”. The reason is pure greed out of our corporations. Medical care costs far more here because they can get away with it. Thank your Republican buddies who passed a law that prevents Medicare from negotiating drug costs. Get that? If they charge $10 for an aspirin, it’s against the law for Medicare to challenge that.

    The cost for medications and procedures is skyrocketing. Hep C? Everywhere else in the world, and I mean that, it costs less than $1000 for the course of treatment. In some countries, only a few hundred dollars. Here in the USA? $85,000. That is correct. Viagra went up from $12 a pill to nearly $60 in three years. Why? Why not?

    My sister in an echocardiogram tech. Her pay has been cut by a third in the past five years because the two biggest companies offering the service merged, but they raised the cost of the procedure by over 30%. And because it’s usually out of network, you pay for it, not the insurance companies.

    You want changes, don’t yell at the poor. Yell at the rich and the politicians that got us here. Medicare for all.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25025
    #1728161

    Medicare for all.

    No thanks.

    There are already price controls in the US as it relates to healthcare. The government and private insurance never reimburse Drs 100% of their charges. They have pricing schedules for everything. The Dr can charge whatever they want.

    CBO has said that giving the Secretary authority to negotiate lower prices for a broad set of drugs on behalf of Medicare beneficiaries would have “a negligible effect on federal spending.”14 It based this assessment on its view that the Secretary would not be able to leverage deeper discounts for drugs than risk-bearing private plans, given the incentives built into the structure of the Part D market, where plan sponsors bid to participate in the program, compete for enrollees based on cost and coverage, and bear some risk for costs that exceed their projections.

    reelman
    Inactive
    Posts: 157
    #1728163

    Top 3 PBM control the costs of your Pharmecuticals
    One of the biggest concerns for Health Plan operators/providers is that these companies are driving Generic low cost medications out of market and effectively drive up the costs of your coverage,co-pays,deductibles,and overall costs to your health plans.

    http://www.ncpa.co/pdf/leg/nov12/pbm_one_pager.pdf

    djshannon
    Crosslake
    Posts: 528
    #1728170

    We can argue this forever. Social Security & Medicare were both argued excessively and extensively. They have not gone away, and have been tweeked over the years to make them more cost effective for all.

    When I started working I was paying 3% into Social Security with no Medicare component.

    When I retired 9 years ago I was paying 7+% into Social Security/Medicare and my employer was matching it to wellover $100,000 in income. My employer also supplied a benefit package that included $12,000 for healthcare for me and my wife.

    the ACA or some form of it is not going to go away. Talk to YOUR Federal Administrators and become part of the solution not the problem. Good ideas (not throw the baby out with the bath water) are always appreciated.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 21873
    #1728171

    For example… everybody ( this excludes nobody) should pay $500 a month for car insurance… doesn’t matter how many accidents you had/have… doesn’t matter what you drive.. moped or Ferrari or even if you don’t drive anything at all… and there are 4 body shops you can choose from for repairs when some idiot rear ends you while texting. Enjoy !

    philtickelson
    Inactive
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 1678
    #1728217

    For example… everybody ( this excludes nobody) should pay $500 a month for car insurance… doesn’t matter how many accidents you had/have… doesn’t matter what you drive.. moped or Ferrari or even if you don’t drive anything at all… and there are 4 body shops you can choose from for repairs when some idiot rear ends you while texting. Enjoy !

    That’s what sucks about medical care. When someone is in need of medical care, they often don’t have the time, means, or knowledge to ‘shop around’ for that care. Medical procedure costs can vary significantly from hospital to hospital, but unlike a lot of other industries, there’s not an easy way for someone to really ‘shop’ around for those costs.

    Maybe if you have something planned well in advance, but no way can you do that in emergency situations.

    I don’t even know if a hospital would give you a straight answer if you were to ask them how much ‘procedure X’ costs.

    Kyhl
    Savage
    Posts: 749
    #1728244

    I will not argue that health care insurance premiums are high. Insurance companies are for profit businesses even if they claim to be non-profits. They have to make their payroll and pay their financial commitments just like ever other business. Their financial commitments happen to be paying for services provided to YOU through doctors, hospitals, and pharmacies.

    Their premiums are based on their best guess of what services the global YOU are going to need and use. They negotiate costs with ALL service providers, and service providers have different rate structure for those with or without coverage.

    Part of the 20,000 page ACA was backup protection to the insurance companies to protect them from excessive losses from the mandate that they must take all applicants.

    Our current Federal Administration (House, Senate, & White House) by flapping their gums about repeal and replace the ACA and about not paying the backup protection to the insurance companies has created instability and vulnerability in the insurance market.

    Everyone pays for that in higher premiums. Write letters to your Federal Administrators (House, Senate, & White House) and tell them to move on to something they that can agree on and fix.

    I’m not sure what protections you think were in the ACA. The only one I know of was a profit sharing early in the ACA implementation. The plan was intended to help insurance carriers that lost money in the ACA roll out by taking money from carries that profited and distributing it to carriers that lost money.

    The problem with that plan was that zero insurance carriers made money on ACA. They all lost money. Some were spending nearly $2 in claims for every $1 they brought in. So there was no profit sharing to bail out carriers.

    There was also a rule in the ACA that carriers cannot use money from other products (your employer’s plan) to subsidize their ACA plans in perpetuity. That was a good thing in my view.

    Reminder, locally, Preferred One almost ended up in receivership after the first year of the ACA. Luckily for them, a couple of care systems (providers) with deep pockets bailed them out by injecting millions of dollars, Fairview and North Memorial. Although, North Memorial isn’t exactly rolling in dough compared to Fairview and Allina.
    Preferred One has still not returned to the ACA market since that failure.
    IIRC, Medica has pulled out of much of the state’s ACA market to protect itself.
    HP and BSBS have limited their exposure to MN’s ACA market to protect themselves.

    Across the country, almost all of the co-ops that were supposed to save the ACA as a model of economy ended up bankrupt, some before the first year of ACA ended. There wasn’t a safety net available for them. In some cases, the care systems ended up not being paid when a co-op failed.

    As consumers we have myopic views of the ACA. Sadly the only thing people remember is that now we are coverage for everything and we won’t let go of that coverage in the interest of saving the industry from turning into the VA, aka single payer.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11299
    #1728253

    This is obviously a political topic on the surface all the way to the core. Before we start contemplating what should or shouldn’t be done, we should look at the hypocrites we elected to make these decisions.

    The fact that they are practically immune to the decisions they make for all of us is absurd.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/25/heres-how-much-members-of-congress-pay-for-their-health-insurance.html

    What’s even more absurd is the level of health care these hypocrites get compared to the people that risked their lives at war.

    If anyone thinks there will be any progress favorable for the rest of us, you’re sadly mistaken and it will never matter if you vote solely on political party.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25025
    #1728255

    Matt you are such a downer!

    And 100% correct.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11299
    #1728268

    I just got tired of the long posts. coffee

    nhamm
    Inactive
    Robbinsdale
    Posts: 7348
    #1728271

    It’s a downer bc Dems had their chance, failed, and looks the repubs are going down the same path.

    If America was ready for the Bern, I would’ve, but I didn’t bc we arent. But at what point are we going to get with these costs before people start thinking social medicine?

    It’s a very good point brought up, this is a political issue, let’s not attack the classes of society.

    philtickelson
    Inactive
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 1678
    #1728275

    Just like tax reform, no matter what change is made there will be winners and losers. It’s just natural that the difference between those two groups is often based on personal wealth. And those that are wealthy have a lot more influence on our politicians on both sides than those that are not.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 21873
    #1728291

    It’s a downer bc Dems had their chance, failed, and looks the repubs are going down the same path.

    If America was ready for the Bern, I would’ve, but I didn’t bc we arent. But at what point are we going to get with these costs before people start thinking social medicine?

    It’s a very good point brought up, this is a political issue, let’s not attack the classes of society.

    The DNC decided you were not ready for the Bern… or wait a minute, maybe they didn’t ? I wonder who did ?

    I am also troubled by the politicians who will parade out a very sick and even severely disformed child and say “do you want his pre-existing conditions to keep him from the care he needs ?” and then they go have lunch with the lobbyists from planned parenthood… crazy

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11299
    #1728307

    Just like tax reform, no matter what change is made there will be winners and losers. It’s just natural that the difference between those two groups is often based on personal wealth. And those that are wealthy have a lot more influence on our politicians on both sides than those that are not.

    Let me fix this for you.

    Just like tax reform, no matter what change is made there will be winners and losers. It’s just natural that the difference between those two groups is often nothing. And those that are wealthy have all the influence on our politicians.

    Sorry, I suck at using the format commands.

    gary d
    cordova,il
    Posts: 1125
    #1728311

    I believe the people in charge will squeeze and squeeze so slowly that it will go to single payer and the government will run the health care system. That way all the money will be in one pot and then they will have more money to play with. I will see it before my grandkids grow old. The new generation will buy into it with that will be the way it go’s. Ah if we could go back to the old days when life was more reasonable and more common sense.

    marvins
    Kansas
    Posts: 62
    #1728331

    It’s a huge poop sandwich, and were all gonna take a bite.

    tim hurley
    Posts: 5543
    #1728336

    Guess where Sara Palin went for health care as a child. Canada. Friend of mine has a sister who has duel citizenship, lives in Canada, husband had cancer family lives here lots of experience with both systems. Her opinion? Canadian system is much better. Perfect? No, but the horror stories you hear are exagerations based on politics.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11299
    #1728337

    Biggil’s Health Care Reform Bill

    1. All emergency care shall be provided and paid 100% by the gubment. People abusing this coverage will result in loss of coverage for each fraudulent occasion and possible criminal chargers. We get police and fire fighting services for free, why not emergency health care?

    2. The gubment shall provide several gubment sponsored options for health care. The options would different based on different choices of preferred providers. You would pay for this like Medicare if you choose. You have the option to opt out only if you are enrolled ina qualifying commercial health plan. You get the option to choose the same plans as our government officials.

    3. You have the option to choose any commercial health plan. These would be to create competition and keep health care prices in check. You would have a wide range of options similar to what we have now. This also allows health care providers to provide premium services for those who choose to use it. It helps to maintain a capitalistic industry and promote further growth and advancements.

    Of course this can never happen until we quit spending so much on war and “defense”.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 21873
    #1728339

    and welfare and other social “programs” and handouts.

    DTW
    Posts: 296
    #1728341

    This is not Rocket Science. Gov’t got involved a long time ago and ruined the health care system. A doctor can not go out by himself and hang a shingle anymore and treat the neighborhood.

    Everyone needs car insurance. How many insurance agencies are out there trying to get your business? A LOT! How many Health insurance companies are there? 5 maybe? (we can address the pre-existing conditions later. so calm down, that’s not the big issue)

    Capitalism works every time it is tried. Socialism fails every time. Remember, Government produces no product (widgets). It just consumes your money. Let Gov’t stay in protecting our country and maintaining our infrastructure. There is really nothing else it need to do.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11299
    #1728344

    Mental health care and a drugs and alcohol treatment are also covered by gubment.

    We can’t have a bunch of crazies walking around shooting people.

    Woodshed
    Elk River, MN
    Posts: 213
    #1728353

    Trying to figure out who should pay and how much each should pay is the wrong question if you ask me. Most seem to agree that healthcare has become out of control expensive.

    The questions should be why is it so expensive. Whether that be lawsuits, regulation, staffing costs, pharmaceuticals, some paying more because others can’t pay, etc. or more likely all the above.

    We seem to have given up on fixing the real problem of out of control costs. Instead, our politicians have convinced us that it’s someone else’s responsibility to pay for it.

    I’ve learned to watch out when I hear sleazy lines like that. Before you know it, you’re the someone else they were talking about. Unfortunately, I think we’re past the point of no return.

    Like someone else said, both parties have had their shot at this thing and missed by a mile.

    tbro16
    Inactive
    St Paul
    Posts: 1170
    #1728382

    Mental health care and a drugs and alcohol treatment are also covered by gubment.

    We can’t have a bunch of crazies walking around shooting people.

    But I thought guns were the problem? doah

    tindall
    Minneapolis MN
    Posts: 1104
    #1728385

    I don’t have time to write my thoughts right now – but I wanted to say that I am impressed that this thread has largely remained quite civil.

    It sucks to be sick, and everyone knows/knew sick people who were helped or screwed by our crazy health care system. Seems like an issue we could find some some common ground on.

    Iowaboy1
    Posts: 3621
    #1728388

    and there are ones like me,I suffer with a what is known as disautonomia due to toxic effects of solvent.
    in other words thanks to chronic exposure to ag chemicals over the course of six years I have been left with damaged nervous systems including digestive,central,and the entire endocrine system.

    it has left me with a suppressed immune system that picks up every flu,cold,sinus infection etc.
    if that isnt enough,I react to about every chemical known to mankind in extremely small exposures to ones that I dont realize for several days until its almost too late and I have to figure out the trigger and how to treat it.
    now,lets toss in about thirty different foods and their effects on me,I have to rotate many things in and out of my diet every ten to twenty days depending on what I eat and with what I ate it with,no fun at all.

    I have lived with this daily now for sixteen years and guess what???
    modern medicine does not recognize chemical allergies or sensitivities,nor does ssi.
    I was house bound for three years and was told in sept. of 05 I had six weeks to live because my liver and kidneys were failing.
    because of holistic medicine,I found help,and since then almost every penny I have spent to stay alive this long has come out of my pocket.

    insurance wont cover me unless its for something like the flu and other recognized ailments.
    socialized medicine,NO THANKS ! it is costing us more to support it now and I cant even use it !
    and sadly,if the government takes total control of medicine the way they want to,the doctors I have been seeing for the last many years will be shut down and not allowed to practice at all.

    thanks to the real doctors who have treated me I was able to go back to work after three and a half years,I still have reactions from mild to severe weekly but I get off of my ass and try to work everyday and some days it is so bad I have to go home and stay there for a day or two.

    just so you know,I am one of about fifteen million people in the US that suffers with what I do and there is no help at all for us.
    anyway you look at it,someone is going to be left out,hell,I have been for a long time.

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