Stand Your Ground Bill is back!!!

i thought it was a country wide bill since they were debating on it here as well.

did some checking and the bill is for Iowa as well. Im guessing that is up to each state as to wether they sign it into state law.

Today is the day. No more procrastination for you Mr Deer in the Headlights.

SIGN THE BILL !!!

-J.

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did some checking and the bill is for Iowa as well. Im guessing that is up to each state as to wether they sign it into state law.

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this is not a national bill, it is a MN bill only. It is just coincidence that Iowa also has a similar bill going through its legislature.

How is it looking for Iowa’s bill to be passed?

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Today is the day. No more procrastination for you Mr Deer in the Headlights.

SIGN THE BILL !!!

-J.

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From what I’m hearing it has passed the iowa house and now has to be approved somewhere else

Anyone hear if this passed?

Veto

http://www.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/141497673.html

-J.

I will remember this come election time.

Let’s hope his veto can be over ridden if that is possible. A sad day for a common sense bill.

Its sad that money and lobbyists control how every bill gets voted for. If the NRA supported democrats this would have been signed. I personally don’t care about this bill, I’ve never been in a situation where I’ve needed a gun or thought I should be killing somebody, and I’d bet my life I never will. I’m not saying this is a bad law, I’m just indifferent to it. The point is that nobody should have ever gotten there hopes up that the Gov would sign this, he doesn’t get money from pro gun organizations. You could get a million people to send an email, unless you fund somebody’s campaign they’ll never vote based on what you think. This is the same with every politician regaurdless of party.

Really, if he signed it into law you would have voted for him next time?

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This ought to make you sick for the day. He is blaming the law enforcement agencies of Mn for not signing into law. What a joke!

Dayton’s response to the veto

i’m not for or against this bill, but why would it make a person sick that the gov listened to the recomendation of law enforcement agencies on a gun related topic?

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i’m not for or against this bill, but why would it make a person sick that the gov listened to the recomendation of law enforcement agencies on a gun related topic?

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First of all, it was the Law Enforcement UNION, not the law enforcement agencies who were against this. Big difference.

Many individual agencies and/or officers were for this law. The Mankato police chief in particular made quite a big stink when he full heartedly endorsed it against the governor’s blathering and blubbering.

I honestly don’t know the difference between law enforcement agencies and law enforcement unions. I know the st. paul and minneapolis police officers are both union, and i suspect many others are as well. Are you saying that the members of the union were against it but upper management was for it?

The people of Mn spoke loudly and clearly when this bill passed both the Senate and House by approximately a 2 to 1 vote. Governor Dayton clearly stated he is in support of the 2nd amendment during his campaign process, a blatant lie. It’s clear what the “people” of Mn want. What the Sheriff’s and Police organizations want it irrelevant to me. It is their job to uphold the laws of Minnesota, not determine them. Their opinion should be carried out by their state representatives. The fact is he listened to a very small portion of Minnesotans vs. the majority is sickening to me.

I’ll be honest, most politics sicken me though.

You’re right Kooty. And IMO anything that passes the house 2-1 should not be able to get vetoed. I looked up some info on this and saw that the bill even got some votes from democrats, which tells me it must be a common sense law. We all know most democrats don’t support pro-gun legislation so for this bill to get support from both parties than be vetoed is ridiculous. Some day a gun toting, fish chasing, pro union democrat who doesn’t take money from the tribes will run for office. Until than I’ll never feel good about who I vote for, but I will vote.

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I honestly don’t know the difference between law enforcement agencies and law enforcement unions.

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If you don’t know the difference between unions, agencies, and individuals, I can’t help you.

Unions are a political machine. They take the money the extort from individual workers and use it to try and influence politicians to make laws that benefit them.

Agencies are each town’s police force. Agencies are made up of individual law enforcement officers who are forced to pay union dues whether they like it or not. And because Minnesota is a communist state, they can lose their job if they refuse to pay the extortion fee to the union if they don’t agree with the policies they are lobbying for.

The unions have Dayton in their pocket. The Law Enforcement Union is no different from any of the trade unions or AFSCME.

I sent this email to Dayton, well see if he responds this time…

Governor, why would you ignore what the people of your state want and blatantly admit, you are pandering to one group, Law Enforcement Unions when it comes to my right to be able to defend my family and myself, rather than retreat and be hit in the back ? I am ashamed of the way you vetoed this… I am a veteran and if we all “fled and retreated” against aggression, then we truely would be in a socialist state… let’s not create one by voting for a group of people and not “FOR” the people. I wrote last week and checked that I needed a written response…. the Veto vote is not a written response… I will await your response. Thank You.

Well done, G.

-J.

Great email G. Don’t worry about being socialist though, apparently according to ihprop1 we’re a communist state.

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I sent his email to Dayton, well see if he responds this time…

Governor, why would you ignore what the people of your state want and blatantly admit, you are pandering to one group, Law Enforcement Unions when it comes to my right to be able to defend my family and myself, rather than retreat and be hit in the back ? I am ashamed of the way you vetoed this… I am a veteran and if we all “fled and retreated” against aggression, then we truely would be in a socialist state… let’s not create one by voting for a group of people and not “FOR” the people. I wrote last week and checked that I needed a written response…. the Veto vote is not a written response… I will await your repsonse. Thank You.

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Well said, Big G.

That’s awesome G. I actually called for his resignation in my email since he refuses to represent the people of Mn. Think he’ll resign?

I sense some serious anger towards unions for some reason prop1. What seems to be the issue? If the individual officers making up a city’s law enforcement agency decide to form a union, would that not make the individual, union, and agency all pretty much the same? There may be individual officers in minneapolis and st. paul that are very much in favor of this bill, but give them the chance to vote for either this bill, or the extra money they make by competing with each others union raises, and I bet they’d take the money.

Thats pretty funny Kooty, if a man isn’t going to listen to you anyways you might as well tell him how you really feel

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That’s awesome G. I actually called for his resignation in my email since he refuses to represent the people of Mn. Think he’ll resign?

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We should form the Common Sense Union and advise him that a resignation is the best course of action. Maybe then he’ll listen to us.

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There may be individual officers in minneapolis and st. paul that are very much in favor of this bill, but give them the chance to vote for either this bill, or the extra money they make by competing with each others union raises, and I bet they’d take the money.

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If you don’t see what’s fundamentally wrong with that, you and I will never agree on the subject. Those are my last words on that matter.

In other news, Dayton is a poopy-butt moron. I had a little twinkle of hope for him to show some common sense on this. Boy, do I feel stupid.

i can agree to disagree and move on. on this issue, you’re right. Obviously this bill is what the people wanted and he should have signed the damn thing. All politicians are crooks, I think thats the flaw we’re dealing with