No mandate ? THIS
When the Biden and EPA put zero emissions regulations on Auto Manufacturers… you will be hard pressed to buy an ICE vehicle. Basically its semantics at this point.
Better read your own articles before posting. Still not a mandate.
“Under the regulations proposed by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the majority of new vehicle purchases will be electric within a decade.”
Again… semantics. You can’t see what this Administration is pushing, that’s on you.
National Security ? Where are the majority of your battery materials coming from ? Who has the monopoly on them ? I wouldn’t use that as a point.
50 year old technology that only continues to keep national security at risk.
That’s actually a pretty underrated point that doesn’t get talked about enough.
The national security concern regarding oil that biggill brings up is a pretty solid point.
It’s really not though, as we have plenty of oil, and find more everyday in the US. The only risk is in having *cheap* oil from the Middle East and Russia readily available for our consumption, and the owners/investors $$$ are protected by our Military. If we kept our consumption the same (18.7M barrels/day) and our proven supply (44.416B at the end of 2021, a 16% increase from the end of 2020) stayed level, we could run the US for 128 years. Obviously those are not level numbers, as our consumption may increase due to population, or decrease due to less usage, and our Proved Reserves continues to increase. But I’m willing to bet 128 years from now we won’t have much, if any, oil demand.
I think I have said enough in this thread… personally (and professionally) I don’t feel they are feasible in the Midwest yet. That doesn’t mean they won’t be someday ! There are some pretty silly arguments on both sides.. but like mentioned.. can you imagine if there was as much pushback when the first cordless tools came out ? Yeah they were bulky, easily drained & underpowered, but they got lighter, stronger and more reliable over the decades. The same will happen with EV’s. 
It’s ok for the IDO crowd to put them in their boat though right? Use them when cutting holes through the ice? Just not in cars or trucks. You may want to write a letter to James.
thats NEVER been my argument!!!!
this thread is about EV cars……isnt the full purpose of the EV, solar and windmill to go green??? to get rid of oil and mining???
solar panels are hazardous waste after there life expectancy is up, and windmills, last maybe 17 years…….those that are toast are getting buried in the ground………. those batteries…yea maybe get recycled provided there are returned properly. i dont see much green in this.
fact……..its physically impossible to make plastic without oil!!!!!
Alright 5 pages and y’all are getting a little cranky and are starting to argue about what your arguing about. Heads down on your desks for 5 minutes.
Alright 5 pages and y’all are getting a little cranky and are starting to argue about what your arguing about. Heads down on your desks for 5 minutes.
EV’s would be awesome if they stopped being subsidized by state and federal grants. You want that fancy car you should pay for it. They obviously fit certain use cases, and clearly don’t fit others. I’ll stick to shitbox + pickup because the system works for me.
Alright 5 pages and y’all are getting a little cranky and are starting to argue about what your arguing about. Heads down on your desks for 5 minutes.
No mandating we take a break!
Alright 5 pages and y’all are getting a little cranky and are starting to argue about what your arguing about. Heads down on your desks for 5 minutes.
(turn the volume down if you’re around children)
EV’s would be awesome if they stopped being subsidized by state and federal grants. You want that fancy car you should pay for it. They obviously fit certain use cases, and clearly don’t fit others. I’ll stick to shitbox + pickup because the system works for me.
Nailed it.
I work for a company that tried working with another company to buy 20,000 of their electric vehicles. We decided not to as there was NO DEMAND for their use. When given options ALMOST no one chooses electric.
Same comments from the dealerships we work with.
This is a passing trend in my opinion. What about hydrogen cars?
If you think about this REALISTICALLY you will realize that there is ZERO incentive for big oil or any of the energy interests to entertain anything else as they will lose BILLIONS. Get rid of the PAC’s ( political action committees/lobbyists) that lobby to our govt and put in term limits that help people make choices for the good of the whole instead of for the good of the few and you will see amazing things happen relatively quickly.
YES – it IS all about MONEY. You’re being naïve if you think our leaders
(either side) have your best interests in mind.
Sheesh this thread really exploded today.
All I can add is that the hybrid I bought in November has been working out thus far.
If your only driving 10 to 50 miles or say a 100 a week or every couple weeks, why wouldn’t a small gas car getting 40 mpgs be the golden ticket. It will last you a life time and your gas bill will be 20 dollars a week. What are you saving ?
They won’t last forever. The salt will eventually make them unable to be driven safely.
I also think government should stay out of it.
Bottom line is they will be functional for some and not others.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/other/horses-pull-vehicle-out-of-the-snow-in-tennessee/vi-AA1ncZJ6?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=c8e97b3b69624969af35e5b7786dc159&ei=17
All them stupid new agers with their fancy gas cars, don’t they know horse power means horse power.
Draft horses are cool to see work. My dad grew up using horses on the family farm (1930s). I don’t know what kind they had. A neighboring farmer in the 1980s had Belgians. They are beautiful animals and big. He had a sleigh he would hook up around Christmas time and go around and give rides to neighbors.
Curious if you want all end all subsidies or just on electric cars? No issue with energy, agriculture?
EV’s would be awesome if they stopped being subsidized by state and federal grants. You want that fancy car you should pay for it. They obviously fit certain use cases, and clearly don’t fit others. I’ll stick to shitbox + pickup because the system works for me.
I’m scared to hell of the big draft horses. There used to be Percherons by my gandparents lake and I remember thinking that it was perfectly plausible that one of those horses could kick a man clean in half. We used to go to Rollag every year too and I kept my distance there even though they are very well trained horses.
Curious if you want all end all subsidies or just on electric cars? No issue with energy, agriculture?
You think food is expensive now just cut out ag subsidies .
4 out of 5 farmers get government checks. I’m talking ALL farming. Fish, tree, food, livestock, etc.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Bearcat89 wrote:</div>
If your only driving 10 to 50 miles or say a 100 a week or every couple weeks, why wouldn’t a small gas car getting 40 mpgs be the golden ticket. It will last you a life time and your gas bill will be 20 dollars a week. What are you saving ?They won’t last forever. The salt will eventually make them unable to be driven safely.
I also think government should stay out of it.
Bottom line is they will be functional for some and not others.
The ev will rot equally right ? Or are they rust proof ?
I get some people like them and some don’t. I’m pretty neutral, it isn’t my thing, maybe one day.
E V lovers do not mention all the dead ones in this cold wave. Downtowns with stations there just have a line of abandoned E Vs. Too cold to charge the dead batteries.
These guys charged their nissan ariya with a generator near the north pole. (no garage, sub zero temps)
https://www.thenissannext.com/en/PoletoPole.html
My understanding is that the car’s battery and drive train was left stock to prove their point that an ariya can deal with the cold. Mileage may very for other makes/models though. lol
Curious if you want all end all subsidies or just on electric cars? No issue with energy, agriculture?
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>KPE wrote:</div>
EV’s would be awesome if they stopped being subsidized by state and federal grants. You want that fancy car you should pay for it. They obviously fit certain use cases, and clearly don’t fit others. I’ll stick to shitbox + pickup because the system works for me.
Yes, I’d like the government to shrink to about 25% of it’s current size and stop subsidizing most things. But this thread is about cars specifically, isn’t it?
It was an honest and good question. You brought up subsidizing EV’s, and I was curious if you felt that way across aboard seeing that subsidy doesn’t pertain to you. I’m not saying you would be included, but the vast majority of people that want smaller government would be all for big cuts it until it raises prices on anything they would be buying. Food and Energy are good examples. Look at how people lost their Sh!t when inflation rose to 10%. All due to the govt handouts during the pandemic. The govt thinking the so many morons in the country getting help to pay for things like rent, food and living instead spent that money on TV’s and other crap they didn’t need or could normally afford, but hey they can’t evict during the pandemic, so I will just quit paying rent and spend my money on crap. I don’t know the exact amount that the government spends on subsidizing energy and food, but I would guess if it were to stop prices would jump far more than 10%.
Yes, I’d like the government to shrink to about 25% of it’s current size and stop subsidizing most things. But this thread is about cars specifically, isn’t it?
But where does the subsidized money come from??
I’m sure a fair amount of it is printed with nothing backing it up (inflation), but in theory it comes from our taxes (or “taken” from other programs, which still happen to be “funded” by our taxes)
I’m completely pulling these numbers out of my ass, but you’ll get the idea.
A gallon of milk is $3.00 at the store.
Without subsidies it would be $4.50
It costs taxpayers $6.00 a gallon.
But wait B-man, you must suck at math. How could that be???
American taxpayers contributed an extra $3.00 out of every check they earned to make $4.50 milk have a $3.00 price tag??
Something not adding up??
It cost us MORE than it should have, since we have to buck up double to make up for those NOT contributing.
Subsidies are socialism. They redistribute wealth. The working middle class and higher are footing the bill. It’s mandated crowd funding for those who are deemed capable of “affording” to lose it.
When the government wants/needs/gets more subsidies they simply raise taxes.
Look at your power or gas bill. If you make middle class or higher income the government says it’s okay to charge you more than you really owe, just to lower the bill for others (again, Socialism)
Same goes for electric cars. We’re all paying extra to lower the price whether we like it, love it, hate it, or use them, or not.
What are the poorest states in the union? How much ‘bailout’ money do they get? Whats the % of the total purse that they get?
I put 60,000 miles on per year in a GMC pickup. I can’t see an EV in my life ever.
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I put 60,000 miles on per year in a GMC pickup. I can’t see an EV in my life ever.
man… that’s just wrong in so many ways!! 
So is the woke agenda that got us to this point !
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