Charlie Daniels Speaks !!

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Where in the world did that come from? Are you saying that anyone who disagrees with “W” can not be a Christian?

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It’s not about “being” Christian. The survey questioned participants on their value system and 86% chose a Christian moral value as the answer. There are atheists that cling to a Christian moral value. It’s a value system, not a religious conviction.

This value system embraces conservative standards……. which spills over to leaning more in favor of a conservative Repulican preference for their representation.

When you speak against “their” leader, you’re not just speaking against GW, you’re more commonly viewed as being in opposition to someone’s values. In other words, “if you don’t like my leader, you’re not on my side”.

This has nothing to do with “being” Christian………. Heck, only 62% of those 86% believed the bible is accurate…… and only 54% claimed to be of Christian faith………so there’s inconsistancy everywhere you look.

I’m pointing out why some are criticized more than others and simply using a historical event and a recent survey result to back up the observation.

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I know a lot of soldiers over there that aren’t happy they were lied to and don’t know their mission. They can’t even secure the main road to the air port.

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I know A lot of soldiers who believe in what they’re doing, know their mission, and understand that they’re fighting for a just and morally righteous cause. And believe me, nobody got lied to, everybody volunteers, and knows what their signature on the dotted line entails. Please don’t presume if you haven’t stood in our shoes. Any vet can tell you that you’ll never understand until you’ve seen it firsthand.

That’s my two cents
SPC Sean Lyons 186 MP Company Baghdad April ’03 – April ’04

I also served in the armed forces and was promoted 7 times for excellence as an infantryman and as a drill sergeant.

Thanks little B for your service,my brother in law and bestfiend are back over there for the third time, 82nd airborn spec.ops, he and my other brother were both there in the first wave,and they all said it is the right thing.

I’ve talked to many close friends who have returned from Iraq, they all say the media is so out of touch. There are many good things going on. Woman can vote for crying out loud.

Anyone who opposes this war must not have any compassion for the human race in my opinion. Everyone is caught up with WMD, what about the BS that happened on 9/11. Please remember the people who jumped from the towers rather than burn to death. How would you like to make that decision, jump or burn, either way you die. Oh ya, that’s right Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Right!! Remember what the President said after 9/11, we are coming after you!! If you harbor terrorist, support them with money, we are coming!!! Thank god he has some hair on his, unlike many of hollywood stars and others who choose to bash him now.

I’m sick of how our country has become so sensitive to being politically correct!! Call me what you want, but I’m still ticked off about 9/11. I will be until they put me in the ground.

Our military is completly based on volunteers. I’ve got a story to share, then I’ll get off my soap box.

When desert storm started, I was 18 years old, fresh out of boot camp. My mother was sick, she was so scared I would have to go to war. I told her then, I signed up for the college benefits, but I knew exactly what I was getting into. I gave the US government 9 years of my life, knowing full well I could end up in war at any time. Do I regret a minute of it, HECK NO!! I’m darn proud to have served the United States of America!!!

At this very same time, my high school principal was also in the same guard unit. He had his wife and kids on KELO news one night crying about how daddy couldn’t run as fast as the rest of us because of a bad knee and that he shouldn’t have to go fight. Man did this burn my arse. He took the benefits from military for 15+ years, then when it came time to step up to the plate, he responded like the coward I always new he was. He ended up getting a medical discharge somehow. It’s guys like him that want the military to help them out, but when the military calls on them they are no where to be found.

Thank you to all the men and women who volunteer each day to help better our world!!

Kooty,

Ditto with everything you said. I am far from anti-war. I am also far from saying let the detainees go. What I want is what we had in WWII which is lots of evidence, trials and then if warranted we should use whatever the law specifies as a punishment. We shouldn’t be sneaking around and hiding stuff for no apparent reason. We seem to let go the “terrorists from countries who are our friends” I know many soldiers who agree and disagree with our purpose, but none of them knows when they are going to be finished with this war based on lies. Bush certainly is a flip flopper himself on reasons for this war and he just asked for another 80 billion of our money to prosecute it with no exit strategy. This is significant money every three months it seems. Maybe we should use some of those nukes as they are less expensive and would certainly be just as expensive.

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Your comment does not square with the rounding up all the Chinese-Americans and confining them during WWII. To compare WWII to the War on Terrorism is like comparing a grizzly bear hunt to Ghostbusting. You can locate and readily identify the Griz and the other is neither easily reconizned or located! This a different war calling for a different prosecution! GWB has maintained from the very beginning it would be a long protracted fight! Beyond Iraq, lies Iran, North Korea and other sinister regims! Gonna cost money, a very lot of it! Who ever said freedom was free?
Geronimo

The only thing separating us from the savages we are fighting against is the rule of law. Ghostbusters maybe.. Nazi concentration camps started the same way as our prison in Guantanamo bay. They also tried to force a puppet government in many countries and were totally unsuccessful and they weren’t opposed to using force and torture to do so.

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Everyone is caught up with WMD, what about the BS that happened on 9/11. Please remember the people who jumped from the towers rather than burn to death. How would you like to make that decision, jump or burn, either way you die. Oh ya, that’s right Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Right!! Remember what the President said after 9/11, we are coming after you!! If you harbor terrorist, support them with money, we are coming!!! Thank god he has some hair on his, unlike many of hollywood stars and others who choose to bash him now.

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Kooty, you’ll have to connect the dots for me. A group of terrorists from Saudi Arabia, funded by Saudi’s attacked the US on 9/11.

The Bush administration has clearly stated that there is NO connection between Iraq and 9/11.

“The president returned to the White House and called me in and said, I’ve heard from George Tenet that there is no link between Saddam Hussein and 9/11”
Condoleezza Rice, March 22, 2004

Why Iraq and not Saudi Arabia or Iran or Syria. Heck why not Ireland?

On a side note, how long must a country break rules set forth by the UNITED NATIONS before deserving punishment?

IRAQ had been doing so for YEARS…how many YEARS is enough?? like I said, on a side note.

Wherever they foment and fester, including our own backyard! Whatever it takes lest we become savages through assimilation! Geronimo

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Could be the IRA might still be taking care of business there. Heard they might have a non compete clause……
Geronimo

The main thing I got out of this letter was not to trust everything the media is telling us about the war, it was not my intention to start a big debate about the war and whether we should be there or not. Whether you agree with the war or not we need to support our president and most of all we need to respect and support our troops. Thank you Sean & all the men & women in the armed forces who volunteered to serve and protect our way of life.
Please out of respect to Sean & our other members who are vets lets just let this thread die.
Thank you.

Amen!

If you think there is no way Iraq ever had a hand in 9/11, then we disagree. My common sense tells me differently. I have no hard facts to give to you to prove it. This is simply my opinion and I don’t expect many to agree with me. I also don’t think many would agree with my method of handling these types of issues in the world.

Now this is just my opinion and it’s not directed at anyone, just sharing my view, then I’m done with this political stuff(for a while anyway )

Our country was attacked on 9/11. I’m furious over the amount of lives we lost that day. It is also going to cost our country millions to rebuild that area of NYC and DC. How many children and grandchildren’s lives are going to be messed up because their parent/s were killed that day??? I stood there(NYC) a little over a year ago reading some of the things on the fence. I had tears in my eyes. At the same time the fire inside of me burned harder than ever before. I remembered watching people jump to their deaths, it brought back all the emotions from that very sad day. I’m not going to sugar coat this, I want to avenge each and every loss we suffered that day!!

Does anyone remember the be-headings done recently?? I say we fight these people at their level. The mafia had a way of getting things done years ago, I’m all for reinstating that mentality when it comes to dealing with these terrorists. Could we possibly hurt an innocent bystander in the process? Yes, but I figure we have about 1800 innocent deaths to hold against the terrorists of the world. So if we accidently punish 1 or 200, I’m OK with that. The world is afraid of terrorists, so they harbor them or do whatever is necessary to save themselves from retalition by terrorists.

I say we remind the world we are a powerful nation who has been given a large black eye. We don’t plan to give them a black eye, we plan to cut off a finger. If a finger doesn’t work, we’ll take a hand. If that doesn’t work, then we’ll just keep taking until we have cleaned the world of these scum bags.

What did the world think of us after Hiroshima?? Do I think any of this will ever happen, no. We are now in the politically correct era of the world.

Again, I’m not directing this at anyone here at IDA. This is a hot button for me personally and I felt the need to vent.

John

Sorry Steve, I agree, but I was typing this as you posted.

No problem John

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The only thing separating us from the savages we are fighting against is the rule of law. Ghostbusters maybe.. Nazi concentration camps started the same way as our prison in Guantanamo bay. They also tried to force a puppet government in many countries and were totally unsuccessful and they weren’t opposed to using force and torture to do so.

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We are Nazis? Concentration camps were set up to eliminate by mass murder, entire races of people. In Iraq, we disposed a vicious dictator,we did not set up a puppet gov’t. Our troops have worked hard and spilled their own blood to give people who have never had a chance to live in freedom to do just that. What’s wrong with you?

We are not hiding anything @ Guantanamo. The International Red Cross maintains a presence there as constant monitor of prison activity. Prisoners are there because it is a geographically isolated and easily defensible installation.

Trials for war crimes are held for ‘regulars’ who meet certain criteria. As I have stated the detainees are partisans, non-uniformed personell who engage with intent. They are not entitled to trial. They are not entitled to defense. They are not entitled to anything – we give it to set an example; because it is the right thing to do; and because scrutiny has never been higher. The reason that partisans are exempt from the laws of war? To prevent anarchy akin to what is happening in Iraq right now.

The nazi comparison is perverse; an affront to our leadership and our citizenry.

Guys;

All opinions greatly respected here.

However, as Steve said, it was about our media and their interpretation of how they view and report the news.

As Steve recommended, let’s just let this go.

Give thanks and support to our Vets who are protecting us daily.

Thank You John………B