Superlines for spinning reels…

  • whittsend
    Posts: 2389
    #1272725

    For those of you who use superlines for jigging/pitching walleyes, what kind of line do you guys rig on your spinning reels? I wondering specifically in the 8/2 lb test range for a M or M/L, F or XF St Croix rod.

    PP

    Spiderwire

    Fireline / Crsytal

    etc…?

    WHY?

    (Fraying vs line roundness vs castabilty, etc..)

    Thanks!

    Joel Ballweg
    Sauk City, Wisconsin
    Posts: 3294
    #974515

    I’ve used 8 or 10# fireline in smoke color for years but have recently started switching my lines over to 10# Suffix 832.

    Kind of expensive up front but I am very impressed with how round, soft & strong it is. You can cast a country mile with this stuff if that’s what you want as well.

    Fireline always went thru my line guides with a kind of raspy feel to it which many people didn’t like but Suffix 832 is silky smooth going thru the line guides.

    Fireline Crystal is the same as smoke going thru the line guides. I’ve run Fireline Crystal for the past three years and about the only difference I can tell from the smoke is it’s color.

    If your in clear water, you will want to run a 2′ length or so of flourcarbon line. Typically I tie on a 12 or 14# Seagur flourocarbon leader. A small, high quality swivel works very well for joining the two lines and is easy to retie while fishing and trying to keep clients lines in the water.

    magnum165
    Baldwin, WI
    Posts: 211
    #974516

    I have always used fireline with good results. At the begining of this season I switched to the Suffix 832 and so far I love it. We will see how it holds up over the season.

    cat dude
    Arlington, MN
    Posts: 1389
    #974524

    I have 3 spinning reels spooled up with Sufix 832. I like it alot.

    85lund
    Menomonie, WI
    Posts: 2317
    #974537

    I agree with the guys on the Suffix 832. It has treated me well. I have had it on an arbor for a year now and it is holding up great. Just put it on a 6’9″ ML XF and it casts like a dream.

    One other thing to note was when i was down on the river in COLD temps the power pro iced up my eyelets but the Suffix 832 repelled the water nicely and I rarely had to clean an eyelet.

    rmartin
    United States
    Posts: 1434
    #974545

    You might also consider TUF-Line DuraCast. Specially designed for spinning reels. I have been using the 12 lb. stuff for a little over a month now and like it better than the Power Pro 10 lb. I was using. No more guide noise and wind knots have been a thing of the past so far. Probably less expensive then the Sufix too. I also recommend the use of a Fluoro leader. I make a long one (15-20 ft.) using a Seaguar knot that slips through the guides easily.

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 19108
    #974556

    Do any of you periodically have your line snapping when power casting?

    Joel Ballweg
    Sauk City, Wisconsin
    Posts: 3294
    #974573

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    Do any of you periodically have your line snapping when power casting?


    Not sure what you mean for sure by power casting. For the most part I think we are talking about spinning rods & reels setup for walleye fishing. About the heaviest thing I’ve ever thrown with that is a 3/8 or maybe a 1/2oz jig/plastic combo. So far, I can’t ever remember snapping a line while doing that.

    tom_gursky
    Michigan's Upper Peninsula(Iron Mountain)
    Posts: 4749
    #974574

    You hit it on the head Joe…ROUNDNESS is an important factor!
    To make superlines round they need an extra step… stretching (like a quality bowstring). The two that work best for me are FINS and Sufix 832. The new formulation of
    Sufix Performance Braid has been working well also on my spin rods.

    Suzuki…braid “snapping” on casts is usually caused by tiny wind knots that occur… You might check this out…

    FINS Windtamer

    FINS Windtamer is also a 100% spectra braid, but with additional processing. Windtamer braid has been treated by means of a proprietary process resulting in a compacted round and smooth structure with a firm body. This enables Windtamer to pack very well on reels without pulling into itself and cuts through the wind to cast without wind knots and rod tip wrapping.
    FINS Braided Lines

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 19108
    #974580

    I use spinning tackle for everything. That’s just my specialty. I noticed when really loading the rod to cast lures I would suprisingly often snap the line. I know what you mean by wind knots but am sure that is not most often the case. Superlines seem very brittle to me. That is the main reason I dont use them but I can see where that would never be a problem throwing jigs and small stuff. Power Pro was especially bad for me. The one exception is Fireline on my wing dam rod. I snap occasionally but its worth it compared to how many times I escape from the rocks.

    Joel Ballweg
    Sauk City, Wisconsin
    Posts: 3294
    #974611

    If I remember correctly, early superlines did have this problem. (snapping on hard cast with bigger lures)
    I do not believe it was a wind knot problem though.

    Not sure if that’s much of a problem anymore or not.

    Typically, the harder a material is, the more brittle it is.

    James Holst
    Keymaster
    SE Minnesota
    Posts: 18926
    #974628

    The break-offs on casts with braids are due to limited stretch in the line.

    When an angler rears back and gives a cast the beans energy loaded in the rod during the cast is rapidly transferred to the line and the force generated exceeds the “test” rating of the line. The line breaks and results in one of those record setting casts where the lure goes 3 times further than it would normally travel had the line not parted.

    Line with more stretch is less prone to this type of critical failure.

    Wind knots magnify the issue as they seem to weaken the line.

    Another cause is getting the line caught in the line keeper on the spool during the cast… but that’s hardly the line’s fault.

    whittsend
    Posts: 2389
    #974653

    Quote:


    The break-offs on casts with braids are due to limited stretch in the line.

    When an angler rears back and gives a cast the beans energy loaded in the rod during the cast is rapidly transferred to the line and the force generated exceeds the “test” rating of the line. The line breaks and results in one of those record setting casts where the lure goes 3 times further than it would normally travel had the line not parted.

    Line with more stretch is less prone to this type of critical failure.

    Wind knots magnify the issue as they seem to weaken the line.

    Another cause is getting the line caught in the line keeper on the spool during the cast… but that’s hardly the line’s fault.


    Do you have a favorite superline for spinning outfits, James? (Walleye applications)

    James Holst
    Keymaster
    SE Minnesota
    Posts: 18926
    #974669

    Quote:


    Quote:


    The break-offs on casts with braids are due to limited stretch in the line.

    When an angler rears back and gives a cast the beans energy loaded in the rod during the cast is rapidly transferred to the line and the force generated exceeds the “test” rating of the line. The line breaks and results in one of those record setting casts where the lure goes 3 times further than it would normally travel had the line not parted.

    Line with more stretch is less prone to this type of critical failure.

    Wind knots magnify the issue as they seem to weaken the line.

    Another cause is getting the line caught in the line keeper on the spool during the cast… but that’s hardly the line’s fault.


    Do you have a favorite superline for spinning outfits, James? (Walleye applications)


    To be honest I’m not much of a line snob when it comes to braids. Mono is a completely different story. Hand me a spool in the right test and it’ll do the job regardless of brand (power pro, fireline, 832 etc). Can’t say I’ve used a bad braid in some time so I usually shop for what’s on sale. If you looked at most of my rods right now you’d find the majority strung with fireline (I bought bulk off Dean at a good price), a couple with Power Pro and a half dozen or so using cortland masterbraid for muskies and sturgeon.

    slipperybob
    Lil'Can, MN
    Posts: 1450
    #974704

    Quote:


    Do any of you periodically have your line snapping when power casting?


    I have snapped 30# Power Pro a very long time ago. I still have some 30# Whiplash that if I’m not careful I will snap it on the cast too. I have also had 8# and under in Fireline snapped on me as well. It just depends on the unfortunate conditions, whether it was a wind knot or a line snaffu in midcast. Usually it had to do with rods with smaller line guides and very windy conditions.

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