2024/2025 NHL/WILD Offseason-Season-Postseason Thread

Offsides review is one of worst rules in all of sports. The NHL should eliminate it.

Well that was fun….f’in Nyquist.

2 Vegas guys around 4 Wild guys, advantage Vegas… Hynes puts the 4th line out with 3rd D pair? “That’s a bold strategy Cotton”

Sh!tty way to end it but another great game.

Not saying it mattered, but Gus being too sick to play after 2 periods of a playoff game is the weirdest thing ever.

lindyrig79 wrote:

Offsides review is one of worst rules in all of sports. The NHL should eliminate it.

Not much different than an out of bounds play in football. Stay on sides.

This series will go 7 and probably go to OT again…

tswoboda wrote:

Not saying it mattered, but Gus being too sick to play after 2 periods of a playoff game is the weirdest thing ever.

I saw him in the first period and I was thinking he was hurt. He was clearly breathing heavy and kept his head down. On the second goal he didnt even seem to challenge for his space in the crease. Had he done that I think the call goes the other way.
Anyways, gritty game by the boys. Missed most of it and saw the final this morning in OT and I was surprised. Then I hear that Fleury came in.

Ripjiggen wrote:

Not much different than an out of bounds play in football. Stay on sides.

I agree. This one was really close. Watching super slow mow it was really tough to tell he was offsides. The ones where that player who is offsides has no bearing on the play are what get me. It is one thing if they end up scoring or some other way impact the play. This one didnt. Oh well. It didnt end their season, but I stand by my comment this was a must win. I dont think they will win the next game. They have played well enough to win pretty much every game and I was shocked to see this one go to OT at 2-2 when they were down 2-1 in the first when I quit watching. I just hope whatever Gus has doesnt make its way through the Wild lockerroom. Now if it were Vegas I would be fine with that.

Get rid of the blue lines.

and while you’re at it make the goalie pads smaller.

That offside was totally on Nyquist. Hartman carried the puck directly over the blue line. Many times the puck carrier makes a move just before the blue line. Not this time.

Netguy wrote:

That offside was totally on Nyquist. Hartman carried the puck directly over the blue line. Many times the puck carrier makes a move just before the blue line. Not this time.

Correct, far too often the guy with the puck makes a move right at the line which I about throw my remote every time they do it. Nyquist should have never been offsides. It wasnt like they were on a straight up rush like on a 2-1 or anything. Stupid move on his part. The trade that just keeps punishing us.

what makes the offsides even worse is that Nyquist wasn’t even going to the net on the rush, he cut BEHIND Hartman, which makes cutting it so close at the blueline absolutely pointless…Hynes was asked the other day why Nyquist was still in the lineup and he said its because of his smarts and experience… omg…

The OT goal sort of reminded me of McDavid’s in the 4 Nations championship game… How the F do you leave a guy that wide open in the slot?…Just a mess of misplays by Bogosian/Rossi/Merrill…

Hynes and staff made the decision to put the 4th line out with the 3rd D pair…

JoeMX1825 wrote:

Hynes and staff made the decision to put the 4th line out with the 3rd D pair…

So now are we questioning playing Rossi and benching Zeev?

CaptainMusky wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
Hynes and staff made the decision to put the 4th line out with the 3rd D pair…

So now are we questioning playing Rossi and benching Zeev?

Ignoring who the players are, do you really think its a smart decision to play your bottom Forwards and Defense together in OT? Both should be separately spot shifted on the fly in OT to give a 30-45 second break to the main groups ONLY when needed…

I can’t remember if the 4th line and 3rd D pair were put out for a D-zone faceoff or if they both got on the ice via a on-the-fly shift? Does anybody know?

Delayed offsides is dumb, especially in that sort of situation when it has no impact on the immediate rush, but it was the correct call and Nyquist has to do better. As do the PP guys earlier that gave up the shorty with Mite level hockey intelligence, 2 forwards on defense and the goalie all going to the guy with the puck and leaving the backdoor WIDE open. And later with how many guys were left alone in the slot it was only a matter of time Vegas scored the game winner.

JoeMX1825 wrote:

Ignoring who the players are, do you really think its a smart decision to play your bottom Forwards and Defense together in OT? Both should be separately spot shifted on the fly in OT to give a 30-45 second break to the main groups ONLY when needed…

No, I just find it funny that just the other day we were all whining that Rossi wasnt playing enough. Now he gets out there in OT. Some called for Merrill to get in there which he did and they were both on the ice when the game was lost.
I question forward and D pairings all the time. I dont want the 3rd pairing out there with a top line. Bottom lines are supposed to be shutdown lines and playing against equivalent lines from the other team. I would rather have the top 2 lines out there with the top 2 sets of D, than put KK/Boldy/Ek out there with Merrill and Bogo. I suppose you could still get offense out of the forwards, but that D corp is not going to help much on the offensive end of the ice and aside from Ek the other two forwards are not the best in the D zone.

CaptainMusky wrote:

aside from Ek the other two forwards are not the best in the D zone.

This is what I was getting at… Brazeau and Rossi are not competent defenders, Trenin at least plays physical, but defensive footspeed isn’t in his toolset… so why put them out with your 2 worst defenders?

JoeMX1825 wrote:

This is what I was getting at… Brazeau and Rossi are not competent defenders, Trenin at least plays physical, but defensive footspeed isn’t in his toolset… so why put them out with your 2 worst defenders?

So who are you going to put with your top two lines then? You want Merrill and Bogo out with them? Hard pass there. The key is that line gets so few minutes that any set of D should be able to cover and if your bottom 6 are liabilities defensively then you are in a world of hurt. Rossi hasnt been playing well lately, but I would hardly call him a liability in the D zone until he started playing bad, but he is also playing far fewer minutes and with worse linemates. Like I have said before he shouldnt be in a bottom 6 role. Freddy was an absolute disaster from the little I watched the game last night and has been essentially all series. I dont think we have a whole lot of people we can count on defensively while our top 6 rests.

Would have been nice to win a face off in OT, completely dominated in that department and couldn’t get it out of the wild zone.

CaptainMusky wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>tswoboda wrote:</div>
Not saying it mattered, but Gus being too sick to play after 2 periods of a playoff game is the weirdest thing ever.

I saw him in the first period and I was thinking he was hurt. He was clearly breathing heavy and kept his head down.

I noticed that too. Saw him do it again in the second period also. Dude looked rough.

I love that some Wild fans are taking to twitter and arguing the “Parallax Effect” influenced the off-side call because the down the line camera was obstructed by the Vegas players glove so they had to rely on the angled camera to make the decision and while the puck appeared to look over the blueline, it actually wasn’t…lol

detailed answer to Russo’s first question of the post game press scrum…lol

Obviously he’s not going to dog his players… but come on…

https://www.nhl.com/wild/video/hynes-game-5-postgame-at-vegas-4-29-6372098044112

Kind of a dumb first question if you ask me.

What’s he supposed to say? Break the play down and say player x, y, and z messed up?

It’s over, move on. Hynes pressers and presence on the bench this series has been impressive to me. A welcome change from the previous coach, and probably part of why they’ve played 5 consistent good games from start to finish.

We talk about KK resigning. I am starting to think Gus Bus is going to cost some money. One year left on his deal. Don’t see how you are not paying him. He has been so good this series.
He absolutely held them in that game the first period yesterday.

Blaming the game on that one shift is idiotic. Game is 60 minutes long plus overtime. Ample chances on both sides to win it in regulation. Both teams made mistakes and great plays. It’s been a great series. Am pissed off at Nyquist, and it sucks. But overall the whole team has far out kicked their coverage and kept up with Vegas winning two games and taking two of the losses to ot. That’s a credit to the whole team and coaching staff. Nobody had them being even remotely competitive in this series. The ref’s haven’t been stellar but they haven’t been horrible either. We’ve probably gotten more no calls than Vegas. So can’t blame this series on the ref’s. Coaching has been way better than expected. My biggest gripe is Nyquist. Jojo and Hartman have played well. So has Trenin and Rossi. Gus has been unbelievable and Boldy and KK are up at the top with goals and points in the league in the playoffs. A few bounces here or there and the series is over either way. It sucks losing, but the series is 3 to 2 after 5. Pretty d@m good for the boys imo. Again, hate moral victories but this has been a heck of a close series and the wild has played very well overall.

As far as bringing in one top end player once the cap hits are off the books, I’d much rather see quality players spread across all 4 lines than one over paid aging super star. Especially with the way KK, Boldy and Gus have shown up in the playoffs. And how things went haywire without KK and Ek on the ice.

Hopefully Gus can play game 6 and we get a few bounces. Win or lose they’ve played a great series and took Vegas to 6 games and hope for a 7th. Am impressed with the effort overall.

Gus has been very good. Hasn’t stole a game but rock solid every game so far and last night he absolutely kept them in it through the 1st period and the two penalty kills in the 2nd. That’s why it was so crazy to me that he couldn’t start the 3rd, right after playing two great periods. I figured they could get an IV in him between periods and that stuff works miracles.

Now just hope he’s ready to go next game.

Offsides is about as objective of a rule that exists in hockey. There is no subjectivity in the call at all – it’s either offsides or it’s good. It can be tough for a linesman to see it occur in normal speed sometimes but HD cameras don’t lie.

Goalie interference, on the other hand, has a whole lot of subjectivity involved. Someone has to make a decision with that one.

I think the Wild will force a game 7. Also, whoever has scored first has won each game thus far.

So why isn’t icing enforced down to the millimeter like offsides? I’m talking the behind the red-line part of icing, not the crossing the goal-line part. That’s every bit as objective as as offsides, but with icing they just have to get close to the red-line and it’s fine. And for offsides they break it down to a single pixel of a single video frame.

Icing and offsides are all about the spirit of the rule dictating game play, and I think it’s absolutely batshit crazy we’ve devolved to taking goals off the board based on single pixel of space in a single video frame of a player who wasn’t even involved in the play. I’ve thought and said this for years and not just being biased about last night’s call. The right call was made last night, I just think the spirit of the offsides CHALLENGE goes against everything good about the game of hockey.

I have no issue with reviews for plays that actually cause goals to happen like kicked pucks, puck crossing the goal-line, goaltender interference, etc.