MN Sports Curse?

  • BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 12952
    #2333597

    After another depressing postseason series loss I think it’s time for some introspection. Why are MN Sports cursed? And what can be done to reverse the curse? I think I’ll sacrifice a whole (Popeye’s) chicken for lunch to start the process Major League style… jester

    https://champsorchumps.us/drought/longest-championship-drought-by-city#:~:text=Which%20city%20has%20the%20longest%20championship%20drought%3F%20The,1992%20and%20has%20been%20ongoing%20for%2033%20years

    mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 11222
    #2333606

    No. When has MN ever been favored to win it all? 98 Vikings? That might actually be the only time. They just aren’t good enough. Every single team. It’s not a curse, it’s just not having enough good players.

    Brittman
    Posts: 2328
    #2333611

    Vikings ran into some very good teams and legendary coaches in the 70’s Super Bowls; Miami – Schula, Pittsburg – Noll, Oakland – Madden.

    Matt Moen
    South Minneapolis
    Posts: 5530
    #2333612

    I think in the last 25 years or so it’s come down to ownership. For the most part, owners have been unwilling to make the investments needed to win. That’s certainly been true for the Twins and Wolves.

    I think the Wilfs are good owners…they’ve been close a couple times and seem to be motivated to win a championship. They need JJ to be a stud to get it done though.

    Pohlad and Taylor have been terrible. We seen the Wolves making gains with A-Rod and Lori (spelling).

    The Wilds ownership has been mediocre at best. Past owners swung for the fences with Suter and Parise and that was an epic failure. That money now comes off the books so we will see how things shake out now.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 12952
    #2333614

    No. When has MN ever been favored to win it all? 98 Vikings? That might actually be the only time. They just aren’t good enough. Every single team. It’s not a curse, it’s just not having enough good players.

    Quite a few times MN has had one of the top seeded teams. But that is not really a relevant metric, as the best team or biggest favorite, wins it all less than 50% of the time in the NBA, mid-30% in NHL/MLB and less than 30% in the NFL.

    http://www.elderresearch.com/blog/how-often-does-the-best-team-win-the-title/

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 13379
    #2333617

    The Wilds ownership has been mediocre at best. Past owners swung for the fences with Suter and Parise and that was an epic failure. That money now comes off the books so we will see how things shake out now.

    Same owner that swung for the fences is the same now.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 23172
    #2333619

    It’s skewed, the WILD are not a Minneapolis team, they are in St. Paul. coffee

    Which puts Minneapolis at 99 Seasons since a Championship… and St. Paul at 25….making both less than New York in total seasons, since a Championship.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 25588
    #2333620

    The Wilds ownership has been mediocre at best. Past owners swung for the fences with Suter and Parise and that was an epic failure. That money now comes off the books so we will see how things shake out now.

    I can tell you are a HUGE Wild fan! Leipold owned the Wild then and still does now. 29 other GMs would have signed both of those guys if they could have at that exact time. In fact, both players took pay cuts to actually both sign here. Individually they could have gotten more money elsewhere but wanted to play here.
    The only reason those deals bit us was because the NHL changed the rules after those contracts were already in place and implemented the Cap Recapture penalty. Which doomed the while after the fact.

    glenn57
    cold spring mn/ itasca cty
    Posts: 13363
    #2333623

    i guess i’m kinda a half full glass guy. i’d rather have a team that’s almost there like the Wolves…. Vikes……or Wild.

    then say like the Cleveland Browns……..or say……Twins!!!! whistling

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 25588
    #2333631

    I’m with ya Glenn! There is some optimism with those 3 but none zero zip for the twins.

    Eelpoutguy
    Farmington, Outing
    Posts: 11290
    #2333634

    There’s always next year. doah

    Matt Moen
    South Minneapolis
    Posts: 5530
    #2333638

    I can tell you are a HUGE Wild fan! Leipold owned the Wild then and still does now. 29 other GMs would have signed both of those guys if they could have at that exact time. In fact, both players took pay cuts to actually both sign here. Individually they could have gotten more money elsewhere but wanted to play here.
    The only reason those deals bit us was because the NHL changed the rules after those contracts were already in place and implemented the Cap Recapture penalty. Which doomed the while after the fact.
    [/quote]

    I thought Leipold came right after that trade…sorry for not having it all straight.

    Regardless, it failed and set them back. How many other franchises were giving fringe all stars 10 year deals? The Wilds ownership have mismanaged the draft and free agency and that’s why they can’t get out of a first round series.

    And, I’m not a huge Wild fan just like I’m not a huge Twins fan anymore. Perpetual mediocrity will do that to fans.

    Pat K
    Empire, MN
    Posts: 960
    #2333643

    No. When has MN ever been favored to win it all? 98 Vikings? That might actually be the only time. They just aren’t good enough. Every single team. It’s not a curse, it’s just not having enough good players.

    The ’69 Vikings were huge favorites in the ’70 Super Bowl. 2 touchdowns or maybe more.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 13379
    #2333644

    Regardless, it failed and set them back. How many other franchises were giving fringe all stars 10 year deals? The Wilds ownership have mismanaged the draft and free agency and that’s why they can’t get out of a first round series.

    Several actually.
    I doubt the owners have a lot to do with drafting and free agency.

    Angler II
    Posts: 548
    #2333646

    The Frost won the cup last year. Not all MN sports teams are cursed…

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 25588
    #2333647

    Regardless, it failed and set them back. How many other franchises were giving fringe all stars 10 year deals? The Wilds ownership have mismanaged the draft and free agency and that’s why they can’t get out of a first round series.

    They were 13 year contracts, but I digress. Again, there isnt a GM in the league back then that wouldnt have done it. So since you arent close to the WIld or NHL for that matter, the deals didnt set them back UNTIL the NHL punished them after the fact. “Fringe all stars”? Please. Regardless that is all water under the bridge at this point. The ownership has proven time and time again that they are willing to do what it takes. You cannot just buy championships. Lots of things happen over the course of the season and the wild have been ravaged by injuries the last couple years and havent seemed to managed the leveraging LTIR like some others have cough cough Vegas and Tampa to name a couple. The Wild have work to do this off season which I am confident they will do. If they can keep KK97 happy and re-sign him to a blockbuster deal along with the other key pieces they have and bring in some needs at other spots then this team will be poised for a long run and a legit chance at a championship soon.

    Angler II
    Posts: 548
    #2333650

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Matt Moen wrote:</div>
    Regardless, it failed and set them back. How many other franchises were giving fringe all stars 10 year deals? The Wilds ownership have mismanaged the draft and free agency and that’s why they can’t get out of a first round series.

    They were 13 year contracts, but I digress. Again, there isnt a GM in the league back then that wouldnt have done it. So since you arent close to the WIld or NHL for that matter, the deals didnt set them back UNTIL the NHL punished them after the fact. “Fringe all stars”? Please. Regardless that is all water under the bridge at this point. The ownership has proven time and time again that they are willing to do what it takes. You cannot just buy championships. Lots of things happen over the course of the season and the wild have been ravaged by injuries the last couple years and havent seemed to managed the leveraging LTIR like some others have cough cough Vegas and Tampa to name a couple. The Wild have work to do this off season which I am confident they will do. If they can keep KK97 happy and re-sign him to a blockbuster deal along with the other key pieces they have and bring in some needs at other spots then this team will be poised for a long run and a legit chance at a championship soon.

    I agree with this. If the wild can keep some key pieces, I expect them to make a deep run into the playoffs. Next year is our year!?!? grin

    Brittman
    Posts: 2328
    #2333657

    The Frost won the cup last year. Not all MN sports teams are cursed…

    Lynx piled up quite a few championships.

    Brittman
    Posts: 2328
    #2333660

    Kansas City is another small market sports town. Royals have the worst record in baseball over the past 20 years but do have the 2015 world series ring. Then there is the Chiefs. KC has no shortage of titles the past decade.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 12952
    #2333669

    It’s skewed, the WILD are not a Minneapolis team, they are in St. Paul. coffee

    Which puts Minneapolis at 99 Seasons since a Championship… and St. Paul at 25….making both less than New York in total seasons, since a Championship.

    NY Giants won the SB in 2007 and 2011. Yankees won the WS in 2009. St Paul has never won a championship, but they are all lumped together since this is about MN (the state) sports.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 23172
    #2333670

    It says Minneapolis… not Minnesota. Just sayin’.. they did it with GB & Milwaukee.

    eyeguy507
    SE MN
    Posts: 5376
    #2333675

    I don’t follow hockey because I am still butthurt they moved the North stars to Dallas. Then they gave us a team again and frankly the name sucks if you ask me. Like what is a “wild”? They should have taken back the North star name since they renamed the team anyway.

    Same with the Lakers. That is 100% a name associated with Minnesota. Do they even have lakes in LA?

    Don’t worry tho, the Wolves will be the “NEXT” pro team to bring a Chip to the state. Imma speak it into existence!

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 12952
    #2333683

    It says Minneapolis… not Minnesota. Just sayin’.. they did it with GB & Milwaukee.

    Yeah the random internet link does, not this thread though waytogo

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 23172
    #2333685

    To answer your original question.. yeah, were cursed. Anderson FG, Bounty Gate, Offsides…. it will continue. doah jester chased

    Matt Moen
    South Minneapolis
    Posts: 5530
    #2333687

    All these excuses for the Wild…they haven’t gotten out of the first round for over ten years. It’s equivalent to the Twins losing like 18 playoff games in a row. The teams are as good as they perform in the postseason…which is mediocre.

    I agree with eyeguy…the Wolves will be the next team to bring a championship here. I’d say the Vikes are a distant second.

    Wake me up when the Wild or the Twins win anything of importance.

    gim
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 19424
    #2333690

    Wake me up when the Wild or the Twins win anything of importance.

    LOL

    I think the Twin Cities/Minnesota collectively has the longest non-championship streak of any market with the four major pro sports, does it not? 1991 is 34 years ago. I’d have to do some digging but I believe that stat is accurate. None of them have even played in the playoff final since 1991 either.

    For a long time the wolves were downright miserable. No one attending games, urine poor record. Now they’re the cream of the crop here at the moment. The NFL does seem to have the best parity of any league though.

    The team with the worst prospects has to be the Twins. Attendance is in the tank too. Dutchboy is the only remaining fan here. rotflol

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 13379
    #2333693

    Must be all ownership. Oh wait.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 25588
    #2333694

    All these excuses for the Wild…they haven’t gotten out of the first round for over ten years. It’s equivalent to the Twins losing like 18 playoff games in a row. The teams are as good as they perform in the postseason…which is mediocre.

    I agree with eyeguy…the Wolves will be the next team to bring a championship here. I’d say the Vikes are a distant second.

    Wake me up when the Wild or the Twins win anything of importance.

    Pretty rich. WOlves hadnt made it to the post season in like 20 years but now are relevant the last 2. Seems you like to cherry pick and dont really pay attention to much if anything pro sports related. When have the wolves won anything of importance? Wolves had a nice run last year, but that has been in the first in years. Wild have at least made the post season so they have a shot nearly every year. I believe they made the post season every year Parise and Suter were here perhaps except 1. Something like the last 8 of 10 now too.
    Twins had probably the biggest collapse in sports history just last season. How soon we forget or perhaps those who dont pay attention do.

    Joe Jarl
    SW Wright County
    Posts: 2429
    #2333695

    The curse is real. I think it began when EPG first put his lawn chair out on Nicollet. jester

    Matt Moen
    South Minneapolis
    Posts: 5530
    #2333696

    Pretty rich. WOlves hadnt made it to the post season in like 20 years but now are relevant the last 2. Seems you like to cherry pick and dont really pay attention to much if anything pro sports related. When have the wolves won anything of importance? Wolves had a nice run last year, but that has been in the first in years. Wild have at least made the post season so they have a shot nearly every year. I believe they made the post season every year Parise and Suter were here perhaps except 1. Something like the last 8 of 10 now too.
    Twins had probably the biggest collapse in sports history just last season. How soon we forget or perhaps those who dont pay attention do.
    [/quote]

    That’s the great thing about sports…I can pick and choose who and when I actually give a rip about.

    I mentioned the Twins and their post season futility already. I’m a casual Wolves fan but the bottom line is they have the most championship capable team of the four. We’ll see with the Vikes…they seem to have the pieces in place but while they’ve had some great regular seasons they crap the bed in the playoffs too.

    You gotta take a step back about the Wild. They haven’t performed since their inception. They have one trip to the conference finals. I’d love to see them be compete for a championship but their track record isn’t good. When’s the last time they got out of the first round? If you were pragmatic about it you would see that.

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