2024/2025 NHL/WILD Offseason-Season-Postseason Thread

  • CaptainMusky
    Posts: 25537
    #2333241

    Blaming the game on that one shift is idiotic. Game is 60 minutes long plus overtime.

    True. The game is 60 minutes, but that one single mental lapse cost them from going up a game to ultimately being down a game. Granted they still had a chance to win in OT or the rest of regulation, but that game would have most likely ended with a W, but we will never know now. So now they need to win 2 in a row vs just get 1 of 2.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 25537
    #2333245

    So why isn’t icing enforced down to the millimeter like offsides? I’m talking the behind the red-line part of icing, not the crossing the goal-line part. That’s every bit as objective as as offsides, but with icing they just have to get close to the red-line and it’s fine. And for offsides they break it down to a single pixel of a single video frame.

    Icing and offsides are all about the spirit of the rule dictating game play, and I think it’s absolutely batshit crazy we’ve devolved to taking goals off the board based on single pixel of space in a single video frame of a player who wasn’t even involved in the play. I’ve thought and said this for years and not just being biased about last night’s call. The right call was made last night, I just think the spirit of the offsides goes against everything good about the game of hockey.

    I have no issue with reviews for plays that actually cause goals to happen like kicked pucks, puck crossing the goal-line, goaltender interference, etc.

    All of this 1000%. Any player not involved in the play that gets called offsides in a scenario like Nyquist’s is just a dang shame. Granted, he should have awareness and not put himself in that spot, BUT, he was away from the play. His closest defender was taking the man with the puck (hartman) and the other defender was 15 feet away or so. Like I said earlier, it wasnt like they were on a 2-1 where Nyquist could easily gain an advantage in being offsides. He never was closer to the puck than that specific moment and it was never coming his way based on how the defender played Hartmen. Vegas D played it about as well as could be expected, but Hartman made a heckuva strong move to the net and it worked, if only temporarily.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 13340
    #2333261

    So why isn’t icing enforced down to the millimeter like offsides? I’m talking the behind the red-line part of icing, not the crossing the goal-line part. That’s every bit as objective as as offsides, but with icing they just have to get close to the red-line and it’s fine. And for offsides they break it down to a single pixel of a single video frame.

    Icing and offsides are all about the spirit of the rule dictating game play, and I think it’s absolutely batshit crazy we’ve devolved to taking goals off the board based on single pixel of space in a single video frame of a player who wasn’t even involved in the play. I’ve thought and said this for years and not just being biased about last night’s call. The right call was made last night, I just think the spirit of the offsides CHALLENGE goes against everything good about the game of hockey.

    I have no issue with reviews for plays that actually cause goals to happen like kicked pucks, puck crossing the goal-line, goaltender interference, etc.

    Yeah it’s tough. I see both sides of it. Probably not what people had in mind when inventing the original off sides rule. I’m sure it was invented so a guy couldn’t just hang out in the offensive zone and stand there while play was going on elsewhere.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 20624
    #2333272

    My biggest issue is that overturning a call made on the ice is supposed to only happen when there’s a 100% certainty of proof with the video, the Nyquist call didn’t have that imo. The straight down the line camera was obstructed by the Vegas players glove and the side camera can’t show the true angle of the puck over the blueline, so there’s some doubt, minimal, but not 100% for sure…

    Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe the offsides review was put into action years ago after Matt Duchesne scored and was like 3-4 feet blatantly offsides and none of the refs caught it and they couldn’t go back and change it…
    The offsides challenge intent was a solution to correct an obviously blatant missed call like this one but as you’ve all pointed out, its now looking with 4K HD zoom for fractions of being offside…

    I found the play, it was Matt Duchense, this is why they eventually allowed Offsides challenges a year or so later…

    gim
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 19392
    #2333275

    Every single team benefits from reviewing offsides and every single team takes their lumps from having goals overturned. The rule is the same for all 32 teams. Vegas could easily experience the same issue in game 6 and have a goal overturned. How many here would be opposed to that? I’m gonna say very few.

    It’s simple, just stay onsides.

    At least game 6 is on at a reasonable time. 6:30pm face off. Looks like I’ll see a second game in this series. yay

    tswoboda
    Posts: 9771
    #2333280

    Yep, rules are rules boys. Gotta get it right.

    Now excuse me while I button the top button of my polo and hike my pants up to my nipples

    lindyrig79
    Forest Lake / Lake Mille Lacs
    Posts: 6565
    #2333310

    So why isn’t icing enforced down to the millimeter like offsides? I’m talking the behind the red-line part of icing, not the crossing the goal-line part. That’s every bit as objective as as offsides, but with icing they just have to get close to the red-line and it’s fine. And for offsides they break it down to a single pixel of a single video frame.

    Icing and offsides are all about the spirit of the rule dictating game play, and I think it’s absolutely batshit crazy we’ve devolved to taking goals off the board based on single pixel of space in a single video frame of a player who wasn’t even involved in the play. I’ve thought and said this for years and not just being biased about last night’s call. The right call was made last night, I just think the spirit of the offsides CHALLENGE goes against everything good about the game of hockey.

    I have no issue with reviews for plays that actually cause goals to happen like kicked pucks, puck crossing the goal-line, goaltender interference, etc.

    100%

    That’s why I said worst rule of all sports. It just kills my spirit and makes no sense to me.

    If offsides is not called in real-time it should not be reviewable or challenged IMO. 99% of the ones missed would not affect the play anyway.

    lindyrig79
    Forest Lake / Lake Mille Lacs
    Posts: 6565
    #2333312

    Every single team benefits from reviewing offsides and every single team takes their lumps from having goals overturned. The rule is the same for all 32 teams. Vegas could easily experience the same issue in game 6 and have a goal overturned. How many here would be opposed to that? I’m gonna say very few.

    It’s simple, just stay onsides.

    Just disagree with ya here

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 13340
    #2333332

    Every single team benefits from reviewing offsides and every single team takes their lumps from having goals overturned. The rule is the same for all 32 teams. Vegas could easily experience the same issue in game 6 and have a goal overturned. How many here would be opposed to that? I’m gonna say very few.

    It’s simple, just stay onsides.

    At least game 6 is on at a reasonable time. 6:30pm face off. Looks like I’ll see a second game in this series. yay

    Don’t think anyone was arguing differently.
    Glad you can finally watch a game. whistling

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