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Twins Offseason Smoke and Mirrors

  • mahtofire14
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    #2159755

    Reports today that the Twins are offering Correa a franchise record contract offer, including creative player options and incentives. Correa AND Boras have really liked the Twins but it’s going to take a heckuva lot to get him and I’m just not confident in the Twins to make him a legit offer. Even a franchise record offer might not be a legit offer to a player like this.

    Also reports of them working on a multi year deal with…………..

    Pagan. FML

    Umy
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    South Metro
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    #2159762

    Pagan?!?!???
    Ugggghhhh
    I might have to start watching……………………… soccer 😂😂😂😂😂

    Pailofperch
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    Central Mn North of the smiley water tower
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    #2159783

    A franchise record offer would only have to be $1 more than his 35.1 million check from last year.
    We all know they need arms. And not Pagan. Who in their right mind would even…. Gonna start feeling like the season is a way already before spring camp.

    FryDog62
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    #2159792

    Probably $40m/year for Correa… so we can finish outside of the playoffs again because we lack pitching. How much would $40m get us as far as a pitcher or two? Would rather see the squad get Rodon, and/or maybe Verlander for 1-2 years, etc.

    Or, if you do sign Correa long term, you might as well unload some of the SS prospects like Lewis, Lee, Martin, etc for pitching? Maybe, but you probably get prospects and not established arms.

    Like a dog chasing a tail isn’t it??

    mahtofire14
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    #2159795

    Probably $40m/year for Correa… so we can finish outside of the playoffs again because we lack pitching. How much would $40m get us as far as a pitcher or two? Would rather see the squad get Rodon, and/or maybe Verlander for 1-2 years, etc.

    Or, if you do sign Correa long term, you might as well unload some of the SS prospects like Lewis, Lee, Martin, etc for pitching? Maybe, but you probably get prospects and not established arms.

    Like a dog chasing a tail isn’t it??

    If we got Verlander I would buy season tickets just to look at Kate Upton. Funny to me all the media wondering how Justin stays young and healthy…..I know the answer.

    FryDog62
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    #2159806

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>FryDog62 wrote:</div>
    Probably $40m/year for Correa… so we can finish outside of the playoffs again because we lack pitching. How much would $40m get us as far as a pitcher or two? Would rather see the squad get Rodon, and/or maybe Verlander for 1-2 years, etc.

    Or, if you do sign Correa long term, you might as well unload some of the SS prospects like Lewis, Lee, Martin, etc for pitching? Maybe, but you probably get prospects and not established arms.

    Like a dog chasing a tail isn’t it??

    If we got Verlander I would buy season tickets just to look at Kate Upton. Funny to me all the media wondering how Justin stays young and healthy…..I know the answer.

    Motivation comes in many forms – –

    mahtofire14
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    #2159807

    Motivation comes in many forms – –

    That’s the only form I’d need.

    eyeguy507
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    #2159877

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>FryDog62 wrote:</div>
    Probably $40m/year for Correa… so we can finish outside of the playoffs again because we lack pitching. How much would $40m get us as far as a pitcher or two? Would rather see the squad get Rodon, and/or maybe Verlander for 1-2 years, etc.

    Or, if you do sign Correa long term, you might as well unload some of the SS prospects like Lewis, Lee, Martin, etc for pitching? Maybe, but you probably get prospects and not established arms.

    Like a dog chasing a tail isn’t it??

    If we got Verlander I would buy season tickets just to look at Kate Upton. Funny to me all the media wondering how Justin stays young and healthy…..I know the answer.


    Save me a seat! I remember in my younger days, I went to many Wolves games when they traded for Marko Jaric just so I could spy on Adriana Lima! Still one of finest of all time.

    RT
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    Twin Cities
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    #2160217

    Twins tendered a contract to Pagan. What are Falvey and Levine thinking?

    lindyrig79
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    #2160219

    Pagan sucks.

    Heard they dealt Urshella.

    Ripjiggen
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    #2160220

    Probably $40m/year for Correa… so we can finish outside of the playoffs again because we lack pitching. How much would $40m get us as far as a pitcher or two? Would rather see the squad get Rodon, and/or maybe Verlander for 1-2 years, etc.

    Or, if you do sign Correa long term, you might as well unload some of the SS prospects like Lewis, Lee, Martin, etc for pitching? Maybe, but you probably get prospects and not established arms.

    Like a dog chasing a tail isn’t it??

    They would never spend 40 mill on a couple pitchers. Verlander wanting to pitch for the Twins is laughable at best. Dude wants to win not pitch 4 innings every week.

    knoppers
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    big lake, backus
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    #2160222

    I would rather see gordon at short next year, that would open up plenty of cash for many players.

    Eelpoutguy
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    #2160223

    Ya but,
    They have new uni’s

    RT
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    Twin Cities
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    #2160238

    I would rather see gordon at short next year, that would open up plenty of cash for many players.

    Yes, or Martin or Lewis.

    Ya but,
    They have new uni’s

    They’re terrible too.

    Dutchboy
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    #2160239

    Leave Gordon in the outfield.
    Martin hasn’t proven he can play as a everyday player and there are doubts he can.
    Lewis is out until who knows when.
    Verlander would retire before pitching here.
    Kate Upton would become the new favorite gal of IDO. That wouldn’t be fair to Sharon. grin

    There is no contending for anything without a big league shortstop which we haven’t had in years. If you are going for middle of the road starters than you have to catch the ball.

    mahtofire14
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    #2160291

    Yeah I don’t like the unis either.

    Urshela got traded to the Angels for a low level starting pitcher who was one of the top 30 prospects for them.

    Gordon won’t be the starting ss. They will either sign one of the big FA or a stop gap until Lewis is healthy or another prospect is ready.

    Dutchboy
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    #2160298

    So they let the fat kid go, so now do they play Miranda at third and Kirilloff at first? Or Miranda at first and and sign a third baseman? Or Arreaz or Polanco at third and the other at second?

    This Urshella deal baffles me.

    Dutchboy
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    #2160307

    I see money won out in the shortstop category. Twins acquire Kyle Farmer from Cincy to play short for nickels rather than a big time shortstop that will cost real money.

    Oh well, they can use the money saved from Correa & Urshela to buy a additional work comp policy for Buxton.

    mahtofire14
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    #2160310

    Save $3 million for Farmer and he’s a pretty darn good player actually. Clubhouse leader for the reds. More power than Urshela, and can play a solid SS. I still see them trying to get Correa and Farmer as the same type of player that Gio was. Can play a little bit of everything.

    FryDog62
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    #2160311

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>FryDog62 wrote:</div>
    Probably $40m/year for Correa… so we can finish outside of the playoffs again because we lack pitching. How much would $40m get us as far as a pitcher or two? Would rather see the squad get Rodon, and/or maybe Verlander for 1-2 years, etc.

    Or, if you do sign Correa long term, you might as well unload some of the SS prospects like Lewis, Lee, Martin, etc for pitching? Maybe, but you probably get prospects and not established arms.

    Like a dog chasing a tail isn’t it??

    They would never spend 40 mill on a couple pitchers. Verlander wanting to pitch for the Twins is laughable at best. Dude wants to win not pitch 4 innings every week.

    I don’t disagree… however the point is the Twins may spend $25-50m on FA’s this winter – you can either spend that on position players and get the same results as last year, or spend on premium arms that could get the team into the playoffs and maybe win at least one game/series.

    mahtofire14
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    #2160333

    There should be no worry about money this free agent season unless they resign Correa. Their payroll after Farmer is around $60 million.

    Netguy
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    #2160343

    you can either spend that on position players and get the same results as last year, or spend on premium arms that could get the team into the playoffs and maybe win at least one game/series.

    X 1,000,000

    I think it was last August last year one of the Twins brass said “we hope we get some players back healthy to get into the postseason.” He should have said “to get to and make a run in the post season.” With an attitude like that, it’s hopeless.

    Hope, hope and more hope. It’s all the Twins do. Too cheap to get the talent they need to consistently get to and make deep runs in the post season. Pohlad needs to sell the team to someone who is serious about winning the world series.

    I’m about done with this “boutique” baseball team. I know other fans do care, but I don’t care how big the frickin’ scoreboard is, or how strong the WiFi is, or how good the food is. Put a great, not good, team on the field. Oh, and hire a quality trainer. We’ll see how the new guy does next season.

    FryDog62
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    #2160351

    With Farmer on board now, Carlos C is out of the equation. Now put that money into a real #1 starting pitcher!!

    Dutchboy
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    #2160354

    There isn’t a pitcher out there I would pay Correa money for.

    Farmer isn’t Correa, Farmer isn’t Urshela. Farmer is Farmer who is the worse shortstop in the division on his best year. With the shift eliminated this year a glove at shortstop with range is needed, is that Farmer? Short answer is no. Long answer is we are much much weaker at 3rd & short now than last year. It can’t be argued.

    But, all the arguing about infield won’t matter a bit if Buxton plays less than 140 games, and I’m not talking DH’ing either.

    mahtofire14
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    #2160377

    With Farmer on board now, Carlos C is out of the equation. Now put that money into a real #1 starting pitcher!!

    He is definitely not out of the equation. It’s just as unlikely he’s back, but they are still trying to sign him. Farmer is the fall back if/ when he moves on.

    I would be fine with him moving on and using the money towards pitching. I just don’t have faith in the front office to bring in any meaningful pitching with said money.

    Ripjiggen
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    #2160386

    Don’t disagree Frydog. jester
    However I think Twins pitching needs to be homegrown like Cleveland and Tampa. No big time free agent pitcher is coming to the Twins period. Why would they?

    FryDog62
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    #2160387

    “There isn’t a pitcher out there I would pay Correa money for.”

    Maybe, but that approach is why the Twins haven’t won a playoff game this century…

    gimruis
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    #2160401

    No mention of the new uniforms? whistling

    FryDog62
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    #2160402

    Don’t disagree Frydog. jester
    However I think Twins pitching needs to be homegrown like Cleveland and Tampa. No big time free agent pitcher is coming to the Twins period. Why would they?

    Same reason Correa did – it was more than he would’ve received elsewhere. Sure, if the money is equal here vs. a big time market where they perennially have good teams, we don’t stand a chance. But this year, if they were to use the same amount that was earmarked for Correa, they might pick up a decent arm and convince him to stay a few years. Can’t do this every year, but with the way the payroll is if Correa isn’t coming back, its the year to be more aggressive for once. They have a window now…

    Brittman
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    #2160403

    Urshella was a gamer. No reason what so ever to let him go unless there was a true 3rd baseman ready to move up from AAA.

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