Spaying and Neutering Dogs

  • Jon Jordan
    Keymaster
    St. Paul, Mn
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    #2046807

    Interesting read. I’m leaning towards not neutering. My contract with the breeder prevented this until two years old. And now we are at that age, I’m in no hurry to get this done. -J.

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    The Growing Debate Over Spaying and Neutering Dogs

    Fixing dogs has been dogma for decades. Here’s why some pet owners are skipping it.

    Karin Brulliard

    Beneath the fluffy backsides of Valerie Robson’s two male golden retrievers is an unusual sight: intact anatomy. Neither dog is neutered.

    This presents occasional challenges. Astro and Rumble are barred from most doggy day-cares, and many boarding kennels won’t take them. But although Robson has no intention of breeding the dogs, she says she has no regrets. Research that suggests neutering could be linked to cancers and joint disorders persuaded her that skipping sterilization was best for her pets.

    “Sometimes people notice,” said Robson, a county government employee in Conifer, Colo. “I just explain that we chose to do this for health and wellness, and he’s a good boy, and it’s never been an issue.”

    “Intact” dogs were the norm for a long time, and a litter of puppies was often part of the deal. But in the 1970s, when overflowing animal shelters were euthanizing millions of homeless dogs annually, spaying and neutering puppies — procedures that involve removing ovaries or testicles — became the dogma in the United States.

    It still is: Surveys indicate a large majority of pet dogs are fixed, and 31 states and the District require that pets adopted from shelters or rescues be sterilized. The surgeries simplify pet ownership by preventing females from going into heat and, some believe, by improving dog behavior, though experts say that is not clearly supported by research.

    But the common wisdom has been complicated in recent years amid widening evidence connecting spaying and neutering to health problems in dogs. The findings are stronger for certain breeds and large dogs, and age of neutering plays a role. But the research is causing some owners and veterinarians to question the long-held tenet that fixing puppies — or fixing, period — is a necessary part of responsible pet ownership.

    “We owe it to our dogs to have a much larger conversation about spay and neuter,” said Missy Simpson, a veterinary epidemiologist with the Morris Animal Foundation, a charity that funds animal health research. “It’s nuanced, and there isn’t a great one-size-fits-all recommendation for every dog.”

    Simpson was lead author of a paper on about 2,800 golden retrievers enrolled in a lifetime study, which found that those spayed or neutered were more likely to be overweight or obese. The study also found that dogs fixed before they were 6 months old had much higher rates of orthopedic injuries, and that keeping dogs lean didn’t prevent those injuries.

    The research has sparked controversy in the veterinary and shelter worlds, in part because widespread spaying and neutering are credited with helping fuel a dramatic decline in euthanasia. The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, which says about 670,000 dogs are killed in shelters each year, supports “early-age” sterilization.

    “The question on a bigger level is to what extent are we sacrificing some bits of welfare for an individual animal for the welfare of the species?” said Stephen L. Zawistowski, science adviser emeritus at the ASPCA. “The fact that we can actually have the conversation is a sign that we’ve made such enormous progress.”
    ‘It is Complicated’

    Spaying and neutering do have some clear health benefits for dogs. Testicular and ovarian cancers are moot, and there’s evidence that spaying lowers the risk of mammary cancer and uterine infections. Fixed dogs also live longer on average.

    But researchers say the reproductive hormones controlled by the removed sex organs have important systemic roles. They influence muscle mass and tendon and ligament strength, and they tell bones when to stop growing. “Without those hormones, your body might just not be as robust,” Simpson said.

    The debate over spaying and neutering flared in 2013, when a study from the University of California at Davis reported higher rates of hip dysplasia, cranial cruciate ligament tears and certain cancers among desexed golden retrievers — especially those neutered early, defined as before 1 year of age. The paper caused “quite a bit of controversy” among critics who “accused us of, you know, driving overpopulation of animals,” said author Benjamin Hart, a professor emeritus at Davis’s vet school.

    Hart and his colleagues later found higher rates of joint disorders, but not cancers, among Labrador retrievers and German shepherds that were neutered early. Their latest study, which is not yet published, examined 35 breeds and mutts and detected no associations between desexing and cancers or joint disorders in small dogs. But it found much greater rates of joint disorders among nearly all large dogs sterilized early, Hart said.
    two german shepherds looking at something off camera

    “Dogs vary tremendously in their physiology, their anatomy. It’s not surprising they would vary in these other things,” Hart said. “It is complicated. That’s why people need to talk it over with their veterinarian.”

    The American Veterinary Medical Association agrees, saying decisions should be made on a case-by-case basis.

    Michael Petty, a veterinarian in Canton, Mich., used to give the standard guidance: Spay or neuter at 6 months. But when he began seeing lots of ruptured cruciate ligaments among dogs neutered young, he wondered whether there was a connection. Based on research that has come out since, for the past decade or so, he has advised clients to hold off on sterilization until dogs reach puberty.

    It’s easier to spay a puppy than an adult dog, Petty said. “But are we causing a problem down the road? We really have to say: First, do no harm.”

    Spaying and neutering are much less common in Europe. Alexandra Horowitz, a dog cognition researcher at Barnard College, says in her book, Our Dogs, Ourselves, that their widespread use here is an indictment of Americans’ too-casual approach to pet ownership.

    “We’re asking dogs to take on the responsibility for our actions,” Horowitz said in an interview — and, she added, for our squeamishness. “Our culture is so caught up in the notion that our dogs shouldn’t be sexual, and spay-neuter kind of feeds into that.”
    ‘Be Realistic About It’

    Owning intact dogs can be less convenient. Females bleed when in heat, and males are more prone to urine-marking.

    Robson, the owner of Rumble and Astro, said her dogs don’t do that. Her first five dogs were rescues, and all were fixed before she took them in. But when she purchased Astro, his breeder had a condition: Don’t neuter until he’s 2. By then, Astro’s vet — citing research on neutered golden retrievers and cancer — suggested that she leave him intact.

    Astro is “so mellow,” Robson said, that she agreed. It helps that they live on a lot of land in the Denver foothills, far from other dogs.

    “As an owner, you have to be comfortable with your ability to supervise them and to make sure they’re not going to run off and do something stupid and get caught with a girl,” said Robson, whose younger dog, Rumble, is enrolled in the golden retriever lifetime study.
    a golden retriever poses for the camera with its tongue out

    Sherri Wilson, an accountant in Grand Junction, Colo., had a similar experience. The breeder of her 5-year-old golden retriever, Bailey, asked that she wait until he was 18 months old to neuter him.

    “We got to 18 months, and it was like, why would we do it? He had no behavior problems, no aggression,” she said. “We couldn’t see a reason to do it, and we could see several reasons not to do it.”

    People active in dog sports pay close attention to research on joint problems, and many now choose not to spay or neuter, said Wendy Garvin, a dog trainer in Riverton, Utah. Her five intact pooches do agility, dock-diving and other sports.

    In 2015, Garvin started a Facebook group that offers advice on managing dogs that aren’t spayed or neutered. Owners need to know how to keep males and females apart when necessary, she said, and how to recognize when females are coming into heat (in her house, she said, it’s when “the boys get stupid,” doing things like licking the females’ privates and humping).

    “There are people who would love to sell you a bundle of roses with it,” she said. “I would rather be realistic about it.”

    Garvin said the Facebook group grows by about 20 to 30 people each month, many ordinary pet owners. In some cases, she recommends that they opt for vasectomies or hysterectomies for their dogs — procedures that prevent reproduction but spare hormones. A small but growing number of veterinarians perform them.

    “People are pretty capable if they take ownership of their responsibility,” she said. But, she added, “none of us want to see more unwanted puppies.”

    Karin Brulliard is a national reporter who writes about animals. Previously, she was an international news editor; a foreign correspondent in South Africa, Pakistan and Israel; and a local reporter. She joined The Post in 2003.

    Netguy
    Minnetonka
    Posts: 2426
    #2046852

    To many questions about the article to even start.
    In summary, spaying and neutering prevents cancer but not spaying and neutering prevents cancer. Spin the wheel.

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18054
    #2053597

    My poor girl was spaid today and is slow to come around. I feel terrible for bringing this on her. She had never been down in her life and it’s heartbreaking to see her immobile and not eating or drinking. I can’t wait for her to pull out of it.

    Netguy
    Minnetonka
    Posts: 2426
    #2053621

    I had my dog spayed earlier this year at age 22 or 23 months. Later that day he was “out of it” and didn’t eat or drink very much due to the anesthesia. The next day almost back to normal.

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 14755
    #2053638

    My poor girl was spaid today and is slow to come around. I feel terrible for bringing this on her. She had never been down in her life and it’s heartbreaking to see her immobile and not eating or drinking. I can’t wait for her to pull out of it.

    Mine took a about a day and a half to come out of it too when she had it done.

    ClownColor
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    The Back 40
    Posts: 1955
    #2053646

    To many questions about the article to even start.
    In summary, spaying and neutering prevents cancer but not spaying and neutering prevents cancer. Spin the wheel.

    Right? I wouldn’t get advice about this stuff on an Internet forum or from a wacky article. Talk with your vet (or two if you’re concerned) and get real answers and make an informed decision with them. To many, a dog is family.

    TheCrappieFisherman
    West Metro
    Posts: 211
    #2053712

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Netguy wrote:</div>
    To many questions about the article to even start.
    In summary, spaying and neutering prevents cancer but not spaying and neutering prevents cancer. Spin the wheel.

    Right? I wouldn’t get advice about this stuff on an Internet forum or from a wacky article. Talk with your vet (or two if you’re concerned) and get real answers and make an informed decision with them. To many, a dog is family.

    x2.
    It is definitely a good conversation to have with your Vet as research has changed, for some breeds. But its much more in-depth then just a news article. Let the professionals who went to school for 8 years and read the scientific research papers give advice. We don’t need arm chair Vets and biologists chased

    Snake ii’s
    Posts: 475
    #2053737

    “Karin Brulliard is a national reporter who writes about animals. Previously, she was an international news editor; a foreign correspondent in South Africa, Pakistan and Israel; and a local reporter. She joined The Post in 2003.”

    ’nuff said……………

    Jon Jordan
    Keymaster
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 5569
    #2053740

    Both breeder and vet agree on keeping my dog intact. (Male Rottweiler) As long as there are no signs of aggression and no running off in search of females. The weight control, joint problems, arthritis, and cancer prevention benefits are proven.

    I can see where owners of females concerned with an unwanted litter are huge!

    It’s obvious the article was written to provoke the conversation. Good points on both sides. I think in today’s world there is an automatic decision to have dogs “fixed”. Many way too young.

    -J.

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18054
    #2053760

    She started eating this morning and is already pushing too hard. That didnt take long thankfully. Now the hard part is keeping her from running and jumping for the next several days. In regards to this topic I have read so many accounts about spaying. I compiled the information at hand and decided to let her go through two heat periods before doing the procedure.

    ?????
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    #2053794

    On the fence here my last setter was fixed at about 1 year lived to be 18. Have a new one that is 1 1/2 years old and not sure what to do. Who knows!!

    blank
    Posts: 1715
    #2053796

    Bob Barker has always said “Help control the pet population. Have your pets spayed or neutered.”

    Brady Valberg
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    #2053895

    Had a lab that I did not have neutered and it cost me…and him. He developed a tumor on one of the boys and it was causing his other one to die. At his age I wasn’t sure what to do and I fully trust my vet. She said by all means he will be fine and recover. It was a lose lose situation A. Have it done tumor gone should be taken care of bc the biopsy came back good or B. Put him down as he was getting older and I didn’t want to be selfish. He had alot of life left in him. He didn’t hunt anymore just got to live his best life laying around on the couch being fat and sassy. I had it done, I do believe the surgery helped but I also cannot say for a fact if he did or did not fully recover from that surgery. It seemed after that his hips went downhil alot faster than they alresdy were beginning to… fast forward a year and a half to 2 years later and I had to put him down as he developed bladder stones and at his age there was absolutely no way I could put him through another surgery with his hips getting as bad as they were. He lived to be 13 1/2.
    Worst birthday I have ever had.
    The vet told me if you do not plan to breed the best thing is to have them fixed to prevent issues down the road that can easily be preventable and prolong the dogs life..is it true? I don’t know but I do know had I had the procedure done as a pup I wouldn’t have had to put him through that.
    Best damn dog I ever had, not even hunting wise just personality wise and I still miss that dog daily even after a year and a half without him

    mxskeeter
    SW Wisconsin
    Posts: 3578
    #2053912

    I have not done much research recently as our spoiled sweetie is past 6 now. Back then the research info coming out was to wait at least a year.
    I waited till she was a 14 months old to have her spayed. No problems yet but time will tell.
    Our previous 2 Vizsla’s were both spayed at 4 or 5 months. Both ended up with incontinence problems by the time they were 4. Both had to be put down at around 9 years old because of some form of cancer. My current Viz has no issues with incontinence, yet.
    Vizsla’s #1 & #2 both came from very good reputable breeders.
    Our current Viz is a rescue that we got at just under 5 months and came from a puppy mill out in Iowa.
    So it’s a crap shoot when you get a pup.

    ClownColor
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    The Back 40
    Posts: 1955
    #2053999

    I know some will go by personal experience with how their last dog or two did but in reality, you need a HUGE sample size to know. Please don’t be like “well my last did okay by doing X-Y-Z.” Talk to your vet. Vets stay educated on topics like this. Cancer happens. what you want to know is best practice to help reduce the cause of cancer.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 10176
    #2054014

    I know some will go by personal experience with how their last dog or two did but in reality, you need a HUGE sample size to know. Please don’t be like “well my last did okay by doing X-Y-Z.” Talk to your vet. Vets stay educated on topics like this. Cancer happens. what you want to know is best practice to help reduce the cause of cancer.

    x2, and my personal experience (which I agree is meaningless) would support it as well. We lost both our dogs in the last year, first was our 6 year old lab that had massive cancer and was spayed after her first cycle at a year old and our boxer lived to 12 years old (very old for a boxer) and was spayed around 1 year as well. It’s a crapshoot just enjoy the time you have with them and spay/neuter as you and your vet see fit.

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18054
    #2054040

    Our last Golden was spayed just after her first heat and lived to 15+
    Did the same with our Pudelpointer and she’s still going strong at 10.

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