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CDC Withholding Data

  • fishthumper
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    Sartell, MN.
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    #2102022

    FishThumper, Yes I do work in Healthcare on numerous levels

    Back to the ? – Are you the person in healthcare who reports the admission Data????

    I did not ask you if you work in healthcare. A person who cleans rooms or does the laundry at a hospital works in healthcare – But I bet they have no Idea of what data is being reported on admissions.

    castle-rock-clown
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    #2102024

    So, what political cause does implementing Covid mitigation’s and vaccines accomplish. Covid looked at from both sides is a complete disaster. Neither side benefits from it. I can understand the mistrust of government, but I fail to see how the government is benefiting in any way because of Covid.

    Umy
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    South Metro
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    #2102025

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>cbeeksma wrote:</div>
    Bearcat….and that is a bunch of BS. Talk to people who work in/with hospitals to find out the truth. No one is just counting them as Covid admissions….It is the false information that has prolonged this epidemic.

    The cdc came out and said this them selves last month. My brother is a doctor and half my family as well.
    Just a few Google searches will bring you the results right from the cdc.

    I have the same experience with Bearcat on this. From doctors, nurses, EMT’s. Numbers are completely skewed. There is a financial return in all of this, believe what you want but but they have managed this “Pandemic” from the start IMHO.

    Umy
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    #2102026

    And NO flue the last two years and now recurring………. whistling

    Umy
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    #2102027

    Castle Rock – follow the $$$$$$$$
    When this is “over” more will come out as the media tries to spin back the other way to save their careers. You will see how govt. and $$$$ and COVID all collide.
    Not rocket science in my opinion. We have been misled all along for reasons, unknown to most of us. Look at the number of advisors on the COVID
    and pharmaceutical boards with the govt for one thing. That should should pretty much say it all. Record profits from the very industry that, two short years ago was the antichrist. Now, we’re in bed with them with the sheets pulled over our heads.

    BigWerm
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    #2102028

    So, what political cause does implementing Covid mitigation’s and vaccines accomplish. Covid looked at from both sides is a complete disaster. Neither side benefits from it. I can understand the mistrust of government, but I fail to see how the government is benefiting in any way because of Covid.

    Well let’s see the last election had 64% of voters vote by mail or early due to Covid. The Fed has printed 40% of all the money in circulation the last 2.5 years due to Covid. The public is the most polarized it has ever been, largely due to Covid. Thousands of businesses have been shuttered due to Covid regulations. We’ve had unconstitutional executive powers used at unprecedented levels due to Covid. Should I keep going or can you see how Covid is continuing to serve political causes? But yeah, totally the CDC should withhold data until they have the propaganda properly shined and ready for the peasants consumption. (End sarcasm)

    basseyes
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    #2102035

    So, what political cause does implementing Covid mitigation’s and vaccines accomplish. Covid looked at from both sides is a complete disaster. Neither side benefits from it. I can understand the mistrust of government, but I fail to see how the government is benefiting in any way because of Covid.

    Follow the money.

    Big pharmaceuticals actual make money from vaccines.

    Look into the amount of politicians who own stock in pharmaceuticals.

    Look into what companies have had the biggest lawsuits over the history of our country.

    When those two get in bed together and demand blind, unquestionable loyalty, it raises red flags.

    Will never understand this ideology that big business and government are to be trusted without any question and anyone that does is a tinfoil hat wearing antivax’er. The burden of proof should lie on government, the cdc and pharmaceutical companies to prove beyond any shadow of a doubt what they are doing and selling is indeed what they are advertising and should readily expect questions and have a willingness to be transparent. When they are not and openly admit withholding data, that is not a good thing at all even kind of on any level. That’s why so many people look at people sideways who think everything is fine and nothing is wrong with the smell test of anything connected to the last two years.

    fishthumper
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    #2102036

    So, what political cause does implementing Covid mitigation’s and vaccines accomplish. Covid looked at from both sides is a complete disaster. Neither side benefits from it. I can understand the mistrust of government, but I fail to see how the government is benefiting in any way because of Covid.

    So do you also believe that the Pharmaceutical Industry is in no way benefiting from Covid??? – Who do you think one of the biggest contributors to political campaigns??? See Below:

    Pharmaceuticals/Health Products: $4,951,696,278
    Spending $4.95 billion over the past 23 years, the pharmaceutical and health products industry has far outpaced all other industries in lobbying spending. It’s important to note that this industry includes not only drug manufacturers but also the sellers of medical products and nutritional and dietary supplements. In 2021, spending has been topped by the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America at $22.9 million.

    This is just the reported amounts. If you think there are is not money being paid out under the table you truly have your head in the sand. Look up People like Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and the Clintons lifetime earning and compare it to their Reported net worth and tell me how that happens. You can bet them and many other politicians on BOTH sides have far more $ that is not reported hid away as well.

    gimruis
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    Plymouth, MN
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    #2102038

    Big pharmaceuticals actual make money from vaccines.

    Look into the amount of politicians who own stock in pharmaceuticals.

    Look into what companies have had the biggest lawsuits over the history of our country.

    When those two get in bed together and demand blind, unquestionable loyalty, it raises red flags.

    Hold on a second here. Let’s not confuse the average federal worker at an agency like the CDC, FDA, or other agency with a politician. Every federal worker at those agencies has a rigorous, annual ethics form they have to fill out, which is reviewed by an ethics officer. Violations are dealt with. They aren’t “swept” under the rug. And the FDA actually regulates pharmaceuticals.

    Politicians say or do whatever they want to get rich and get more votes. The federal work force represents the largest employee branch in the country. I think you’re painting the wrong picture here when you put them into the same category as a politician.

    KPE
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    River Falls, WI
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    #2102045

    Hold on a second here. Let’s not confuse the average federal worker at an agency like the CDC, FDA, or other agency with a politician. Every federal worker at those agencies has a rigorous, annual ethics form they have to fill out, which is reviewed by an ethics officer. Violations are dealt with. They aren’t “swept” under the rug. And the FDA actually regulates pharmaceuticals.

    Politicians say or do whatever they want to get rich and get more votes. The federal work force represents the largest employee branch in the country. I think you’re painting the wrong picture here when you put them into the same category as a politician.

    Federal employees are discouraged from speaking up and when they do they are blocked from moving up the ranks. We have now heard this firsthand from multiple federal employees including an FDA executive officer.

    buckybadger
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    #2102046

    Covid is a hoax. Dr. Faucci made it in China.

    gimruis
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    #2102047

    Federal employees are discouraged from speaking up and when they do they are blocked from moving up the ranks.

    That may be true but to say they are lining their pockets with big pharma is a flat out lie.

    castle-rock-clown
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    #2102058

    Well, if big pharma and energy companies are making so much money off of this manufactured Covid crisis and instability causing energy prices to skyrocket then why aren’t we all investing in these publicly held stocks and getting in on the action???

    CaptainMusky
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    #2102080

    Well, if big pharma and energy companies are making so much money off of this manufactured Covid crisis and instability causing energy prices to skyrocket then why aren’t we all investing in these publicly held stocks and getting in on the action???

    I dont know why YOU arent, but many like myself have been.

    KPE
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    #2102082

    That may be true but to say they are lining their pockets with big pharma is a flat out lie.

    I’ll agree there, the general workforce of the federal government is not profiteering like the leadership in that organization. There are however a large number of roles that exist solely to exist. Nothing against those employees personally I’m sure many are good people, but the gov’t is too bloated IMO.

    KPE
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    #2102083

    I dont know why YOU arent, but many like myself have been.

    Bingo

    gimruis
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    #2102087

    but the gov’t is too bloated IMO

    We are in agreement on this one. Bloated is a good word to describe it.

    fishthumper
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    #2102096

    Well, if big pharma and energy companies are making so much money off of this manufactured Covid crisis and instability causing energy prices to skyrocket then why aren’t we all investing in these publicly held stocks and getting in on the action???

    So are you saying that you don’t believe that Pharma is making big money off of this whole covid issue????? All you need to do is look at their recent earning reports. Who do you think is paying for, and who is being paid for all of these free Covid vaccinations an Free covid test ????? You are far to trusting of our government and just the type of person the Government Loves to have out there supporting them.

    cbeeksma
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    #2102110

    Yes I see the data. And work with patients and families related to the data. I am also a deputy coroner….I know what I see, I know what the facts are in my area and you believe what you want to.

    castle-rock-clown
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    #2102111

    I never said I wasn’t in the game. Just because I believe that Covid and the governments mitigation’s including vaccines are legit, it doesn’t mean I won’t exploit the profits from these industries. I’ve gotten very nice raises to my income from both social security and stocks tied to my retirement. I’m just glad I’m protected and living well to reap the fruits of my increasing income.

    Umy
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    #2102492

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>KPE wrote:</div>
    Federal employees are discouraged from speaking up and when they do they are blocked from moving up the ranks.

    That may be true but to say they are lining their pockets with big pharma is a flat out lie.

    I disagree – that’s just rose colored sight again.
    He didn’t say every single employee. The heads of these companies, the lobbyists and the shareholders a re getting richer off the paranoia spread by the current administration over COVID

    gimruis
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    #2102502

    I disagree – that’s just rose colored sight again.
    He didn’t say every single employee. The heads of these companies, the lobbyists and the shareholders a re getting richer off the paranoia spread by the current administration over COVID

    Federal employees at the NIH, FDA, and the CDC are prohibited from having a conflict of interest in something they regulate. If they did, they wouldn’t have a job there very long.

    Doesn’t mean a federal employee who is working for the IRS, NASA, or another agency can’t own public stock in a pharmaceutical company.

    Of course the heads of these private companies are making money of this. I don’t think anyone would deny that.

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