2 lines in Large MN Rivers moving forward 3/9/23

  • Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59940
    #2186977

    Senate File 2570 (which includes 2 lines on MN and P2 Miss) has been introduced and will be heard by the Environment, Climate, and Legacy Committee tomorrow 3/9/23. Anyone can sign up and testify if they wish. I think you can even do it remotely if you like. It’s buried in a snowmobile registration bill down at line 14.24

    Also worth noting and a very positive sign is that we already have a companion file in the House (HF2564).

    Good luck to all it effects!

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59940
    #2186979

    PS Making it this far was done without the help of MN-Fish.

    Mike W
    Participant
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13160
    #2186990

    Thanks for the update Brian.

    buckybadger
    Participant
    Upper Midwest
    Posts: 7173
    #2187025

    Wait. So this does not include any inland lakes, correct?

    This one might have a chance of passing then.

    Mike W
    Participant
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13160
    #2187035

    I’m hoping it’s a good start to getting 2 lines passed for the entire state. Maybe next step is 2 lines for all the rivers in MN. Then lakes.

    Rodwork
    Participant
    Farmington, MN
    Posts: 3769
    #2187040

    At least it is a step in the right direction.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59940
    #2187042

    So this does not include any inland lakes, correct?

    That is correct Bucky. The MN DNR Leadership does not support 2 lines state wide.

    A by product of this bill will be to allow two lines when fishing from Prescot to Lock and Dam #2 which many people violated “accidentally” including me.

    3Rivers
    Participant
    Posts: 932
    #2187061

    Wait. So this does not include any inland lakes, correct?

    This one might have a chance of passing then.

    I’m sure not counting my chickens yet. An identical version failed at the last minute last year and some form of it has made it to the Gov’s desk no less than 2 other times in the past. The MNDNR has built a very large brick wall in front of us in regards to anything more inland, so it would be a major undertaking to gain any more traction with them on that issue (under current leadership).

    buckybadger
    Participant
    Upper Midwest
    Posts: 7173
    #2187064

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>buckybadger wrote:</div>
    Wait. So this does not include any inland lakes, correct?

    This one might have a chance of passing then.

    I’m sure not counting my chickens yet. An identical version failed at the last minute last year and some form of it has made it to the Gov’s desk no less than 2 other times in the past. The MNDNR has built a very large brick wall in front of us in regards to anything more inland, so it would be a major undertaking to gain any more traction with them on that issue (under current leadership).

    Oh I fully admit the inland 2 line proposal will never pass in my lifetime. That’s a guarantee. Every year up to this when it’s been “likely to pass” I’ve said there’s no way.

    The river only option has to be the best chance yet though…depending on what other garbage they pair it with

    Fife
    Participant
    Ramsey, MN
    Posts: 3996
    #2187066

    I hope it goes through. I’ve said a number of times while on Pool 2 that I wished I could run a Dubuque rig.

    3Rivers
    Participant
    Posts: 932
    #2187078

    PS Making it this far was done without the help of MN-Fish.

    I know FOR A FACT that some of the board leadership supports 2 lines. It will be interesting to see if they/their lobbyist is involved at all with this bill.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59940
    #2187085

    What’s different this year?

    The Governor’s office said they would sign it. (if it made it to his desk)
    Brad Parson’s was the person that brought it up to us (a few Covid and a political years ago.
    Bob Meir “The two line language is a priority for me personally to get passed!”
    AND the big dogette has signed off on it.

    There’s always that if… but if it doesn’t pass this year, it won’t.

    Damn, I hope I don’t read this post 3 months from now and wonder what I was thinking. coffee

    FishBlood&RiverMud
    Participant
    Prescott
    Posts: 6689
    #2187086

    I hope it goes through. I’ve said a number of times while on Pool 2 that I wished I could run a Dubuque rig.

    This won’t apply to pool 2 unfortunately

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59940
    #2187089

    14.24(3) two lines may be used in the Minnesota River downstream of the Granite Falls Dam​ 14.25and in the Mississippi River downstream of St. Anthony Falls

    dirtywater
    Participant
    Posts: 1084
    #2187126

    I don’t see anything that excludes p2. That would be a huge mistake making things once again more complicated than they need to be.

    FishBlood&RiverMud
    Participant
    Prescott
    Posts: 6689
    #2187253

    A by product of this bill will be to allow two lines when fishing from Prescot to Lock and Dam #2 which many people violated “accidentally” including me.

    I read that to be the only area of change.
    Thanks for the clarification.

    14.24(3) two lines may be used in the Minnesota River downstream of the Granite Falls Dam​ 14.25and in the Mississippi River downstream of St. Anthony Falls

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59940
    #2187256

    waytogo Whew, I thought you heard something I hadn’t yet!

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59940
    #2187528

    Although I haven’t heard if the House bill made it out of committee, the Senate moved theirs on to the floor.

    Once on the Floor and passed, then it’s just the nod from the Governor.

    Assistant Commissioner Meir was a little nervous while talking about the whole DNR package. When it came to the two line verbiage, he said this wasn’t for walleyes…catfish only. It is for all fish in the rivers effected. I think I’ve just been in his ear so much…

    Either way, it passed and I’m grateful to Bob, Brad and Sarah for supporting it!

    Cody Meyers
    Participant
    Posts: 388
    #2203060

    What is the latest on this? I don’t see any mention of this in the regulations book anywhere. Am I dense and missing it somewhere?

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59940
    #2203062

    I don’t see any mention of this in the regulations book anywhere.

    You won’t until next year likely.

    It’s so close to being finished up in the legislature, then the governor needs to sign it. Expect to hear more within the next month of it’s passing ….or not. (But all indications are for it’s passing)

    3Rivers
    Participant
    Posts: 932
    #2203165

    The bill finally has passed through the conference committee today and will go back to the House and Senate for final vote today or tomorrow. As Brian mentioned, just need to move on to the Gov for signature and then most likely implemented next March.

    Here’s the final version of the bill with 205.28 being the language of interest.

    https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/text.php?number=HF2310&version=0&session=ls93.0&session_year=2023&session_number=0&type=ccr

    buckybadger
    Participant
    Upper Midwest
    Posts: 7173
    #2203181

    …included earlier in the bill is the part where the boat registration fee doubles or triples from current rates depending on size smash

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59940
    #2203184

    Before I click on a link from the revisor, I always pop 4 Advil and even then find my glasses either on my desk or falling off. Sometimes I see colors too…

    All of that for this:

    (3) two lines may be used in the Minnesota River downstream of the Granite Falls Dam
    and in the Mississippi River downstream of St. Anthony Falls.

    3Rivers
    Participant
    Posts: 932
    #2203200

    …included earlier in the bill is the part where the boat registration fee doubles or triples from current rates depending on size smash

    oh…don’t get me wrong, there are a LOT of things in that bill that is debatable for sure. Lot of fees will be increasing, crossbows legal during regular archery, no wolf season allowed, etc etc. That’s how the horrible system of omnibus bills work… So do I support the bill? Yes and No, No and Yes.

    buckybadger
    Participant
    Upper Midwest
    Posts: 7173
    #2203285

    After looking at the bill for ~20 minutes as proposed…screw 2 lines. I hope this bill is voted down.

    dirtywater
    Participant
    Posts: 1084
    #2203288

    After looking at the bill for ~20 minutes as proposed…screw 2 lines. I hope this bill is voted down.

    All for it. Boat registration is way too cheap as it is.

    buckybadger
    Participant
    Upper Midwest
    Posts: 7173
    #2203291

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>buckybadger wrote:</div>
    After looking at the bill for ~20 minutes as proposed…screw 2 lines. I hope this bill is voted down.

    All for it. Boat registration is way too cheap as it is.

    My calculator broke trying to keep up with the 10s of millions being spent on various trails.

    This bill is a spending nightmare.

    dirtywater
    Participant
    Posts: 1084
    #2203294

    Trails are great. Fishing is great. Nothing is free.

    3Rivers
    Participant
    Posts: 932
    #2203305

    After looking at the bill for ~20 minutes as proposed…screw 2 lines. I hope this bill is voted down.

    What’s kind of funny about that is the last time it passed, there was a bunch of stuff that people on the other side of the aisle were saying the same thing about. Their response was, “Screw that, I hope the bill gets voted down”.

    Meanwhile, everything else in the bill fails…

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